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So does the 93yr old grandma down the street from me...
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I'm guessing by the R33 comments that you guys are talking about aesthetics, of which I can understand the subjective nature.
Engineering however, begs to differ... Things to keep in mind: it kicked the R32 GTRs ass on the Ring (and in every other area due to vast tech improvements) and sadly the R34 was only marginally better. In fact, the R34s performance was so similar that Nissan never officially posted the Ring time
The 33 and 34 ride on a nearly identical chassis despite being given different codes. The suspension is the same and interchangeable, the floor plan is identical allowing all braces to interchange, and really the improvements were in reinforcing the C pillar to increase rear rigidity. Obviously they both use the same engine as well.
They also weigh about the same despite all the nonsense on the internet saying the 33 is super heavy. Both cars weigh right around 3400lbs.
TL;DR: the only thing better about the R34 is a vastly improved transmission.
Engineering however, begs to differ... Things to keep in mind: it kicked the R32 GTRs ass on the Ring (and in every other area due to vast tech improvements) and sadly the R34 was only marginally better. In fact, the R34s performance was so similar that Nissan never officially posted the Ring time
The 33 and 34 ride on a nearly identical chassis despite being given different codes. The suspension is the same and interchangeable, the floor plan is identical allowing all braces to interchange, and really the improvements were in reinforcing the C pillar to increase rear rigidity. Obviously they both use the same engine as well.
They also weigh about the same despite all the nonsense on the internet saying the 33 is super heavy. Both cars weigh right around 3400lbs.
TL;DR: the only thing better about the R34 is a vastly improved transmission.
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After thinking over, the Supra will not disappoint and will very likely the best road sportscar money can buy. I think every person has his/her definition of the best sportscar, but unless you are Horacio Pagani, Christian von Koenigsegg, Mate Rimac, James Glickenhaus, Michael Stoschek or Henrik Fisker, you will have to content yourself with what is already for sale. So from that point, anything will be imperfect, be it design, engineering or anything else.
As you might have noticed, I like (expensive and complex) transaxles for mid-front engined cars, but it is not the only criterion. So if to choose between the Corvette with transaxle or the new Supra as we know, I'll take the later.
With any choice, money also is a factor. And among all the choice out there, mid-rear, 4 cylinder turbo, 6 cylinder NA, V8, 2 or 4 seats etc, the Supra will likely be a good compromise for many. The new Supra will be between the lightweight 4 cylinder sportscars like Lotus, Alpine, Alfa, MX-5 and the bigger V8 heavier V8 cars and other more practical and rather more comfortable cars, but also more affordable and street usable than supercars, and also a better value for badge snobs that cannot justify paying 'premium' for a 'non-premium' Nissan or Honda badge.
The M2 is considered such a great car, the new Supra can only be better. And who would want a 4 cylinder Porsche 718, that is bigger in size and probably weight than the new Supra? With the fastback trunk, it will also be even more practical than the GT86 for everyday needs.
And the best thing? No one will say the the new Supra will be under-powered from factory, and yet it can be made so much faster later, just see all those M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M and X6 M. Not many modify Porsche, but many modify BMW and Toyota. So the new Supra will have a lot of market support. There is sportscar as the new Supra, they are either all bellow (track focused and unpractical or under-powered) or way above and not always really 'sport'.
The new Supra looks like hitting the right spot, even though the Z4 Coupe has been the worst selling BMW ever. With Toyota this might change.
As you might have noticed, I like (expensive and complex) transaxles for mid-front engined cars, but it is not the only criterion. So if to choose between the Corvette with transaxle or the new Supra as we know, I'll take the later.
With any choice, money also is a factor. And among all the choice out there, mid-rear, 4 cylinder turbo, 6 cylinder NA, V8, 2 or 4 seats etc, the Supra will likely be a good compromise for many. The new Supra will be between the lightweight 4 cylinder sportscars like Lotus, Alpine, Alfa, MX-5 and the bigger V8 heavier V8 cars and other more practical and rather more comfortable cars, but also more affordable and street usable than supercars, and also a better value for badge snobs that cannot justify paying 'premium' for a 'non-premium' Nissan or Honda badge.
The M2 is considered such a great car, the new Supra can only be better. And who would want a 4 cylinder Porsche 718, that is bigger in size and probably weight than the new Supra? With the fastback trunk, it will also be even more practical than the GT86 for everyday needs.
And the best thing? No one will say the the new Supra will be under-powered from factory, and yet it can be made so much faster later, just see all those M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M and X6 M. Not many modify Porsche, but many modify BMW and Toyota. So the new Supra will have a lot of market support. There is sportscar as the new Supra, they are either all bellow (track focused and unpractical or under-powered) or way above and not always really 'sport'.
The new Supra looks like hitting the right spot, even though the Z4 Coupe has been the worst selling BMW ever. With Toyota this might change.
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probably will lmao, well probably more like 3-1
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I wonder if there will be a production/manufacturing ratio that they will be targeting, similar to the initial 6:1 FRS:BRZ production at Gunma. Not sure what incentive either company has to do so, but something to think about.
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The R33 was an impressive feat of engineering and a great car, the R34 took that and made it look good.I'm guessing by the R33 comments that you guys are talking about aesthetics, of which I can understand the subjective nature.
Engineering however, begs to differ... Things to keep in mind: it kicked the R32 GTRs ass on the Ring (and in every other area due to vast tech improvements) and sadly the R34 was only marginally better. In fact, the R34s performance was so similar that Nissan never officially posted the Ring time
The 33 and 34 ride on a nearly identical chassis despite being given different codes. The suspension is the same and interchangeable, the floor plan is identical allowing all braces to interchange, and really the improvements were in reinforcing the C pillar to increase rear rigidity. Obviously they both use the same engine as well.
They also weigh about the same despite all the nonsense on the internet saying the 33 is super heavy. Both cars weigh right around 3400lbs.
TL;DR: the only thing better about the R34 is a vastly improved transmission.
I was mostly joking, I just don't care for the styling of the R33, it's was a victim of the bland 90's styling that took the R32 and melted away it's character.
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haha, I can totally agree with styling opinions. I liked the R33 first, then when I got the A70 I started liking the aggressive boxy style of the 32/34, and now I've come full circle and feel the 33 is aging and will continue to age best out of them all.
as you said, it definitely could have used less subtlety for it's time though.
as you said, it definitely could have used less subtlety for it's time though.
lol, I'm just along for the ride now.That will be @A70TTR's homework for the weekend.
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