New (Unconfirmed) Details and Specifications of US-Spec MKV Supra:

[BrettS]

If they do actually come out with something crazy and I’m actually able to afford it it’s really gunna suck seeing supras driving around knowing you’re waiting for the better one.

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[tha7osavage]

If they do actually come out with something crazy and I’m actually able to afford it it’s really gunna suck seeing supras driving around knowing you’re waiting for the better one.

This has been my complaint for a while. Why not initially release this badass version from the get-go? I get that it’s all about money, and many manufacturers follow this same method (IE: Corvettes release better trims every year, Grand Sport, Z06, etc), but if this new A90 is a whole different platform altogether... I’d expect some pissed off people for sure.

I’m just hoping that we don’t have to wait too long for this badass A90. We’ve already waited years lol

 

[PerformanceSound]

If they do actually come out with something crazy and I’m actually able to afford it it’s really gunna suck seeing supras driving around knowing you’re waiting for the better one.

Remember I had this concern a while back, and everyone criticized me? This is currently the “unknown” and probably the “details” A70TTR and/or my source can’t speak too much about. Key is when...not if.

 

[tha7osavage]

Remember I had this concern a while back, and everyone criticized me? This is currently the “unknown” and probably the “details” A70TTR and/or my source can’t speak too much about. Key is when...not if.

You talk to your source yet to see if you can spill the beans!? Haha

 

[SupraStew85]

As much as I want a fully Toyota developed engine, don't you guys think that a totally new engine would be a massive step back as far as progress from a business standpoint ? A large motive of teaming with BMW was to save on development costs, surely a completely new engine would render that partnership a lot less useful.

If I were to be predicting the future it would be along the lines of a larger turbo/ Toyota developed head. Although I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

 

[tha7osavage]

As much as I want a fully Toyota developed engine, don't you guys think that a totally new engine would be a massive step back as far as progress from a business standpoint ? A large motive of teaming with BMW was to save on development costs, surely a completely new engine would render that partnership a lot less useful.

If I were to be predicting the future it would be along the lines of a larger turbo/ Toyota developed head. Although I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

Yeah I can’t really see an entirely new engine, but a new upgraded turbo/Toyota developed head doesn’t really scream break the internet IMO

 

[SupraStew85]

Yeah I can’t really see an entirely new engine, but a new upgraded turbo/Toyota developed head doesn’t really scream break the internet IMO

Yeah exactly....thats what gets me thinking what else could be being developed to create such a change of heart about the car. Without reading into rumours too much "break the internet" to me means a DRASTIC change from the cars that have been driven and reviewed thus far.
What I am pretty certain on is that the cars reviewed sound like great starting platforms for next level performance. It would make sense to me that there is a combination of "tweaks" being made here and there to really turn this thing up a few notches for the top trims. ie: Weight reduction, power bump, suspension.

 

[RyanGT3RS]

This has been my complaint for a while. Why not initially release this badass version from the get-go? I get that it’s all about money, and many manufacturers follow this same method (IE: Corvettes release better trims every year, Grand Sport, Z06, etc), but if this new A90 is a whole different platform altogether... I’d expect some pissed off people for sure.

I’m just hoping that we don’t have to wait too long for this badass A90. We’ve already waited years lol

You think that’s bad, look at BMW models lol. There’s M sport, then M model, M competition, competition sport or “CS” and then CSL which was GTS in the past. Sounds confusing, right? Take a look at the M5. And yes, many people are complaining since many bought the launch model and then they released the Competition version, and now testing the Competition Sport. Mercedes and Audi does the same with their AMG and S, RS for Audi.

Sounds like Toyota is following the BMW strategy with the Supra. Doesn’t surprise me at all since they are collaborating.

 

[SupraStew85]

I just wish we had a hint putting us in general direction....

 

[tha7osavage]

You think that’s bad, look at BMW models lol. There’s M sport, then M model, M competition, competition sport or “CS” and then CSL which was GTS in the past. Sounds confusing, right? Take a look at the M5. And yes, many people are complaining since many bought the launch model and then they released the Competition version, and now testing the Competition Sport. Mercedes and Audi does the same with their AMG and S, RS for Audi.

Sounds like Toyota is following the BMW strategy with the Supra. Doesn’t surprise me at all since they are collaborating.

Yeah, you’re probably right. Guess we’ll just have to be patient then lol. Definitely not buying the base trim A90, if they have something badass in the pipeline.

 

[tha7osavage]

I just wish we had a hint putting us in general direction....

SERIOUSLY. Haha. I mean could you imagine if Toyota keeps us in the dark, and you end up buying the A90 at launch, all for Toyota to release this baddie a year later LOL

 

[Matthew]

As much as I want a fully Toyota developed engine, don't you guys think that a totally new engine would be a massive step back as far as progress from a business standpoint ? A large motive of teaming with BMW was to save on development costs, surely a completely new engine would render that partnership a lot less useful.

If I were to be predicting the future it would be along the lines of a larger turbo/ Toyota developed head. Although I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

I thought we already new it has a Toyota developed turbo, this was confirmed by Tetsuya Tada in an interview a couple of months ago. Can't find the quote at present but defo read it in one of the UK magazines.

Hello by the way, I'm new here, put down my deposit at the start of the month, I think it'll be a cracking car.

 

[boodjohn]

That's only if you look at peak numbers

If you look at curves and when power is being made, you will see even a base 320hp B58 blows the VQ37 out of the water (and thats coming from someone who DD's a VQ37)

You are comparing two vastly different engines : a +15 year old engine (VQ - bored and stroked) to a 3 year old engine (B58).
They are built for different applications. But, if you were to compare the two side by side --> the VQ takes the cake

The VQ engine is vastly superior to the B58 - even to today's standards. No other engine has done what it has done. Name an engine that has survived and competed against engines (and recently, newly developed engines) while wining the Wards best engine list 14 years straight (from 1995-2008 with the most recent award at 2016 iirc). The VQ engine is a benchmark. These awards won for a reason.That is why this engine deserves its praise. That is why many auto manufacturer blue printed its design.

The VQ engine does not use a harmonic balancer, it is internally balanced, bottom tough as nails, Forged cranks/rods, weighs a mere 300 lbs and more.

It is the staple in my 240z swap and I can guarantee you that a 2009 VQ37 NISMO can possibly go toe to toe with the new 2020 supra.

2009 Nissan 370z NISMO : $45,000 350 hp/276 ftlbs 1466 kg
2020 Toyota Supra : $65,000 340 hp/369 ftlbs ~1500 kg

You are comparing a naturally aspirated engine to a turbocharged straight 6, one of which uses forced induction to produce more power and naturally, has linear or progressive torque figures to a decade year old design.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Hello by the way, I'm new here, put down my deposit at the start of the month, I think it'll be a cracking car.

 

[justbake]

You are comparing two vastly different engines : a +15 year old engine (VQ - bored and stroked) to a 3 year old engine (B58).
They are built for different applications. But, if you were to compare the two side by side --> the VQ takes the cake

The VQ engine is vastly superior to the B58 - even to today's standards. No other engine has done what it has done. Name an engine that has survived and competed against engines (and recently, newly developed engines) while wining the Wards best engine list 14 years straight (from 1995-2008 with the most recent award at 2016 iirc). The VQ engine is a benchmark. These awards won for a reason.That is why this engine deserves its praise. That is why many auto manufacturer blue printed its design.

The VQ engine does not use a harmonic balancer, it is internally balanced, bottom tough as nails, Forged cranks/rods, weighs a mere 300 lbs and more.

It is the staple in my 240z swap and I can guarantee you that a 2009 VQ37 NISMO can possibly go toe to toe with the new 2020 supra.

2009 Nissan 370z NISMO : $45,000 350 hp/276 ftlbs 1466 kg
2020 Toyota Supra : $65,000 340 hp/369 ftlbs ~1500 kg

You are comparing a naturally aspirated engine to a turbocharged straight 6, one of which uses forced induction to produce more power and naturally, has linear or progressive torque figures to a decade year old design.

Of course they are different with one being NA and the other turbo. I only compared them because others did.

First off, even though you state 2020 supra has 340hp, we do not know that to be a fact. Also, BMW motor are underrated.

You failed to address peak power

VQ37 Nismo - 350HP @7400 rpm, 276ftlbs @5200, 7500 redline.
B58 - 322hp @ 5500 to 6500 rpm, 332 lb/ft @1380 to 5000, 7000 redline.

The B58 makes peak torque early and stays there through most of its rev range and then enters it's peak hp.
VQ37 on the other hand, doesnt make nearly as much torque and doesn't make it until late in its rev range and just hits its peak hp and then needs to shift.

Like I said, you can play the numbers game on who makes most power but you can not compare power curves and actual performance, the B58 blows it away. Have you seen the movie Moneyball?

NIsmo 370z 0-60: 4.9-5.3s, 1466 kg
M240i 0-60: 4.1-4.4s, 1596 kg.

B58 all day, every day.

This might be a surprise to you, but BMW motors win awards as well.

TLDR: The A90 will blow the 370z out of the water

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