Toyota Supra to be launched in 2019 under Gazoo performance brand GR / GRMN related topics

A70TTR said:

correct ^

GR could technically leverage its position under Akio to acquire a few engines for special projects, but it would never be a mass production thing.

I've tried to illustrate this before, but Lexus specifically is VERY protective over tech it develops these days, and there is a huge bureaucracy of internal politics there. Everyone just thinks, 'oh, every Lexus is Toyota' so they share everything. That ideology (and one I held for years) is oversimplifying things to an extreme degree lol. That's not to say they don't share certain tech and resources, but for all intents and purposes its best to view them as independent entities which is exactly what they want and why things are being done differently these days.

It wasn't always that way however, especially in the 90's and early 00s. I think the big change came in 2005 when Toyota decided to start marketing and selling Lexus in more countries starting with Japan.

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DevonK said:

For me, it's about the sound - no 4 banger I have heard sounds that great, even with aftermarket stuff tacked on (although an STI with its UEL headers isn't too bad). You can make a 4 sound OK in the cabin by adding Forza-type synthetic engine notes through the speakers, but nooooo thanks.

There is a vid around of a French hot hatch you could get a few years ago that allowed you to select what your car sounded like in the cabin - options went from a 60s inline four to a modern V10.

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Mike said:

Hello A70TTR,

Hope you are doing great.

I totally disagree with this justification that LEXUS and Toyota have this approach that you mention.

The 8AR-FTS 235hp 2.0 turbo 4-cylinder found in the LEXUS NX SUV and RC coupe 200t is also powering the 2017 Toyota Crown and Harrier SUV (also newly introduced is a GR version in Japan) and is being built by Toyota Motor Corporation in Kamigo Plant in Japan.

So using it on a sports Toyota platform is just a matter of typical procedure....

-Michael Papas-

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A70TTR said:

correct ^

GR could technically leverage its position under Akio to acquire a few engines for special projects, but it would never be a mass production thing.

I've tried to illustrate this before, but Lexus specifically is VERY protective over tech it develops these days, and there is a huge bureaucracy of internal politics there. Everyone just thinks, 'oh, every Lexus is Toyota' so they share everything. That ideology (and one I held for years) is oversimplifying things to an extreme degree lol. That's not to say they don't share certain tech and resources, but for all intents and purposes its best to view them as independent entities which is exactly what they want and why things are being done differently these days.

It wasn't always that way however, especially in the 90's and early 00s. I think the big change came in 2005 when Toyota decided to start marketing and selling Lexus in more countries starting with Japan.

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Mike said:

Hello all,

As a previous JDM Silvia S15 and BCNR33 GT-R owner and JZA80 lover, i agree that there were 4-cylinder engines that sounded and performed great with much tuning potential like the legendary SR20DET in its last 250hp version, the Mitsubishi EVO's 4G63 and more.
But here. the matter is not the sound or any of these. The upcoming Supra, especially after so many years of absence, has to keep some key elements, one of which is a 6-cylinder twin-turbo. Even in the era of downsizing and low emissions, Toyota/Lexus arsenal has a lot of engines to work on.

A possible Celica or MR-2 resurrection could use the latest LEXUS 8AR-FTS 2.0 turbo 4-cylinder found in the NX SUV and RC coupe 200t models with 235hp. With Gazoo tuning it can easily go to 250-280hp for a medium sports car. A possible MR2 could use it in a mid-engine / RWD layout like the SW20 generation while the Celica longitudinally in a GT4 version with 4WD.

The next GT86 should throw the Subaru flat-4 NA engine, for a slightly smaller but more powerful 4-cylinder. The latest 1.8 supercharged 210hp presented on the limited edition GRMN Yaris could be the basis for this, tuned to 225hp.

And finally the Supra can get the newly developed LEXUS V6 twin-turbo 3.5l featured on the latest flagship LS, making 416hp at its current state. With minor tweaks it can easily go up to 450+hp. The Supra must come in two versions, a normal and a GR version, both with the same base engine with 50+ hp difference and more sport orientation for the GR model (NISSAN/nismo GT-R philosophy).

This complete sportscar range doesn't leave gaps neither in price or power and gives Toyota its sportscar lineup it deserves.

-Mike Papas-

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2JZ-No-Sh*t said:

Yup, and sadly the 4 banger version spied also sounds like @ss.

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DevonK said:

I'd be happy (OK, maybe just willing) to pay $5k more for a 300 HP 6 over a 300 HP 4 simply for the sound....

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Mike said:

Hello all,

As a previous JDM Silvia S15 and BCNR33 GT-R owner and JZA80 lover, i agree that there were 4-cylinder engines that sounded and performed great with much tuning potential like the legendary SR20DET in its last 250hp version, the Mitsubishi EVO's 4G63 and more.
But here. the matter is not the sound or any of these. The upcoming Supra, especially after so many years of absence, has to keep some key elements, one of which is a 6-cylinder twin-turbo. Even in the era of downsizing and low emissions, Toyota/Lexus arsenal has a lot of engines to work on.

A possible Celica or MR-2 resurrection could use the latest LEXUS 8AR-FTS 2.0 turbo 4-cylinder found in the NX SUV and RC coupe 200t models with 235hp. With Gazoo tuning it can easily go to 250-280hp for a medium sports car. A possible MR2 could use it in a mid-engine / RWD layout like the SW20 generation while the Celica longitudinally in a GT4 version with 4WD.

The next GT86 should throw the Subaru flat-4 NA engine, for a slightly smaller but more powerful 4-cylinder. The latest 1.8 supercharged 210hp presented on the limited edition GRMN Yaris could be the basis for this, tuned to 225hp.

And finally the Supra can get the newly developed LEXUS V6 twin-turbo 3.5l featured on the latest flagship LS, making 416hp at its current state. With minor tweaks it can easily go up to 450+hp. The Supra must come in two versions, a normal and a GR version, both with the same base engine with 50+ hp difference and more sport orientation for the GR model (NISSAN/nismo GT-R philosophy).

This complete sportscar range doesn't leave gaps neither in price or power and gives Toyota its sportscar lineup it deserves.

-Mike Papas-

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New Toyota Supra 2019: Gazoo Racing branding and latest details

Get all the info on the new 2019 Toyota Supra.

The fifth generation Toyota Supra will be sold as a standalone model under the Gazoo Racing sub-brand when it arrives at the end of 2019. Toyota is yet to announce pricing for the car or reveal how the Gazoo connection will manifest itself in the car’s official name. We do know that the Supra will spearhead Gazoo Racing’s new model offensive, which started with the Yaris GRMN, and will deliver a new MR2 as well as more extreme homologation special Yaris in the future.


The new Toyota Supra has been developed alongside the forthcoming BMW Z4 as part of a joint venture between Toyota and BMW. Initial plans for the Supra favoured a GT Coupe rather than out-and-out sports car, but Toyota CEO, Akio Toyoda stepped in to ensure Gazoo prioritised dynamics and performance above anything else following the decision to sell the Supra under the Gazoo Racing banner.

“The Supra has a strong following and the new car must appeal to these owners,” said Shigeki Tomoyama, President of Gazoo Racing. “The last Supra had a straight-six engine, was twin-turbocharged and rear-wheel drive and the new car must continue this philosophy.” Tomoyama, who owns a 600bhp carbonfibre bodied 1997 Supra, refused to confirm how much the new Supra might weigh when it was suggested it should come in at under 1500kg. Instead he pointed out that his Supra, when new, weighed 1200kg and did confirm that the new Supra would have a 50/50 weight distribution.

http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/13960/new-toyota-supra-2019-gazoo-racing-branding-and-latest-details

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vb22 said:

Nothing new, but might as well put it here before someone feels the need to make a new thread.

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The new 2019 Toyota 'Supra': everything we know about the J29 super coupe

New 2019 Toyota Supra scooped
► Project codename J29: spy photos
► Next year’s new sports car revealed

The new 2019 Toyota Supra project is advancing nicely and we’re expecting to see the new rear-wheel drive sports car shown in concept guise later this year. Developed jointly with BMW, this coupe will be built alongside the next-generation Z4, CAR understands.

Toyota’s version, codenamed J29, will be available in hard-top form only - whereas the BMW Z4 will remain a coupe-convertible. It’s just one example of how the two brands are keen to have clear water between the two projects, so they’re not competing with each other. Every prototype Supra we’ve seen in spy photos so far has been a tin-top coupe.

New Supra: sold under the Gazoo performance umbrella
Remember the Toyota Yaris GRMN, the first car to be sold in Europe under that banner? That stands for Gazoo Racing Master of Nurburgring, and all the indications are that the new Toyota Supra will also be fettled heavily by the Japanese firm’s motorsport brand. We've already spied it extensively at and near the Nordschleife (below).

Don’t misinterpret this to think the Toyota badge will be secondary: it’ll be sold as a Toyota first and foremost, but the Gazoo sub-brand is likely to be prominent in the car’s positioning. Don’t forget how important the G word is in Japan and other markets - it has as much market presence as Nismo does for Nissan.

When can I buy the new Toyota Supra?
CAR understands that the roll-out starts with first sight of a physical model later in 2018, believed to be a concept car first before sales of the production car start in 2019.

Will it be called Supra? It seems likely at this stage. The name is not yet confirmed, but it’s hard to think why Toyota would spend the time and effort in creating a brand new badge when its back catalogue includes such a storied name.

Engineering specs: what can we expect of the new 2019 Supra?
The BMW and Toyota have been co-developed and share the same rear-wheel drive architecture. It’s a reflection of a shrinking global market for sports cars that two giants of manufacturing are having to collaborate to get the efficiencies of scale required.

Our sources suggest that the two products will look totally unrelated, despite sharing so much of their hardware. This is not merely a reskinned Z4, according to our sources, unlike the close similarity between the Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ, for instance.

Engines are understood to be mixture of four- and six-cylinder BMW units, mostly turbocharged and available with dual-clutch transmissions; leaked documents suggest a manual gearbox is not currently a given. Hybrid power - long a Toyota specialism - is likely to appear in due course and both models are expected to be built by Magna Steyr in Austria, reflecting their low-volume status.

What will the Toyota Supra look like under all that disguise?
Word is the new sports coupe will look to the FT-1 concept car for inspiration, which is fine by us. It looks like a modern take on the classic Japanese sports car.

BMW’s Z4, codenamed G29, has been heavily trailed by the concept car shown at Pebble Beach in summer 2017 - so this show car reveals much of the stance and footprint of the platform.

Engineers cite a 50:50 weight distribution as being a key objective of the new architecture, which bodes well for handling and poise on the road.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sh...supra-coupe-j29-spy-photos-specs-news-prices/

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