Toyota Supra will have DCT & expect production car in Fall of 2018

Manual lovers, will you settle for a DCT?


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pssst, Japan was a part of the Axis, that's the joke. And that's all it is, it's just a little funny that those countries are all working together again.

I'm not too concerned about interiors. I was just at the new car show and sat in all the new models. I swear everyone is having their interiors made in the same factories these days. The style, materials, stitching, feel of the plastics, they all feel the same now. Not too many standouts interior wise for me, except the new Camry in napa red leather, reminded me of the LC500s interior. Pretty crazy for a Camry.
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I would love to have a MKV Supra with that engine, an auto from a GS-F or manual trans, a torque vectoring LSD from RC-F, and the body of an FT-1. 100% JDM and 100% Toyota!
1. If it had a V6, the MKV Supra would become a 3000GT instead
2. 100% Japanese domestic market?
 

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pssst, Japan was a part of the Axis, that's the joke. And that's all it is, it's just a little funny that those countries are all working together again.

I'm not too concerned about interiors. I was just at the new car show and sat in all the new models. I swear everyone is having their interiors made in the same factories these days. The style, materials, stitching, feel of the plastics, they all feel the same now. Not too many standouts interior wise for me, except the new Camry in napa red leather, reminded me of the LC500s interior. Pretty crazy for a Camry.
I get it, but also after the US bombed Japan and defeated the German Nazi's (with Russia’s help of course) they never allowed Japan or Germany to have a full-fledged military again. They allowed them to have “defense forces” but not full-fledged militaries. The US knew cultures with high IQ’s would form technologically advanced militaries eventually. Both Japan and Germany have effectively been under the sole control of the US since. Brute force....when your in power, you make or break what you want. This is why a joint venture, especially one with a dominant company supplying the bulk of the parts always wins. In this case, the Germans. Brute force....”we don’t care what you Japanese have to say, take it or leave it.”

Your comment about all companies now buying parts from same sources....sure, but that doesn’t mean they are of the same quality. Fiat, Ferrari, and Dodge are all under one umbrella now. All three get their seats made by a company called Sabelt. Does that mean the quality from a Fiat to a Ferrari to a Dodge Viper are all the same? Absolutely not! If you strongly believe that car companies are forming another “axis” to build cars because they want to, you are surely mistaken. The MKV Supra is a marketing gimmick to try and squeeze any profit from a deal Toyota made with BMW to supply hybrid technology. The MKV Supra is a byproduct, not a “ground-up” venture....except this time, it’s heavily dictated by the Germans.
 
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1. If it had a V6, the MKV Supra would become a 3000GT instead
2. 100% Japanese domestic market?
1). How would that make it a 3000GT with a V6?

2). Yes, 100% JDM (except LHD instead of RHD)....don’t give us a version with missing parts or features because it’s a USDM car.
 

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I get it, but also after the US bombed Japan and defeated the German Nazi's (with Russia’s help of course) they never allowed Japan or Germany to have a full-fledged military again. They allowed them to have “defense forces” but not full-fledged militaries. The US knew cultures with high IQ’s would form technologically advanced militaries eventually. Both Japan and Germany have effectively been under the sole control of the US since. Brute force....when your in power, you make or break what you want. This is why a joint venture, especially one with a dominant company supplying the bulk of the parts always wins. In this case, the Germans. Brute force....”we don’t care what you Japanese have to say, take it or leave it.”

Your comment about all companies now buying parts from same sources....sure, but that doesn’t mean they are of the same quality. Fiat, Ferrari, and Dodge are all under one umbrella now. All three get their seats made by a company called Sabelt. Does that mean the quality from a Fiat to a Ferrari to a Dodge Viper are all the same? Absolutely not! If you strongly believe that car companies are forming another “axis” to build cars because they want to, you are surely mistaken. The MKV Supra is a marketing gimmick to try and squeeze any profit from a deal Toyota made with BMW to supply hybrid technology. The MKV Supra is a byproduct, not a “ground-up” venture....except this time, it’s heavily dictated by the Germans.
But BMW said they liked the way Toyota ran things
 

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Your comment about all companies now buying parts from same sources....sure, but that doesn’t mean they are of the same quality. Fiat, Ferrari, and Dodge are all under one umbrella now. All three get their seats made by a company called Sabelt. Does that mean the quality from a Fiat to a Ferrari to a Dodge Viper are all the same? Absolutely not! If you strongly believe that car companies are forming another “axis” to build cars because they want to, you are surely mistaken. The MKV Supra is a marketing gimmick to try and squeeze any profit from a deal Toyota made with BMW to supply hybrid technology. The MKV Supra is a byproduct, not a “ground-up” venture....except this time, it’s heavily dictated by the Germans.
I did not seriously mean one company makes all the interiors now, just that the styles in use and production techniques and materials everyone is using is super similar. Its resulting in not being able to tell who makes the car you are sitting in by just looking at the interior. I've actually been shopping for a truck lately, something I've never done before. I decided an 01 - 04 Tacoma was the way to go and went and looked at one. Sitting in it, I instantly felt at home. The interior plastics, components and build quality all scream vintage 90s Toyota. It was perfect. Sitting right next to that truck was an 05 model, with a modern Toyota interior. There wasn't much familiar in it or much that seemed distinctively Toyota to me, it looked the same as most modern interiors from just about any make. I know its partially a generational change and I'm not as familiar with modern Toy interiors, but sitting in all of the cars at the trade show it really felt like everyone is doing things the same way now, which wasn't the case at all in the 90s and earlier.

The axis quip was just a joke about whos involved in this project, don't read into it so much. ;)
 

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I did not seriously mean one company makes all the interiors now, just that the styles in use and production techniques and materials everyone is using is super similar. Its resulting in not being able to tell who makes the car you are sitting in by just looking at the interior. I've actually been shopping for a truck lately, something I've never done before. I decided an 01 - 04 Tacoma was the way to go and went and looked at one. Sitting in it, I instantly felt at home. The interior plastics, components and build quality all scream vintage 90s Toyota. It was perfect. Sitting right next to that truck was an 05 model, with a modern Toyota interior. There wasn't much familiar in it or much that seemed distinctively Toyota to me, it looked the same as most modern interiors from just about any make. I know its partially a generational change and I'm not as familiar with modern Toy interiors, but sitting in all of the cars at the trade show it really felt like everyone is doing things the same way now, which wasn't the case at all in the 90s and earlier.

The axis quip was just a joke about whos involved in this project, don't read into it so much. ;)

I know right? Just look at the NC1, it has the same rear as the 911!
 

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But BMW said they liked the way Toyota ran things
They did? This is news to me, seriously. My understanding is that Toyota has had a very difficult time collaborating with BMW because BMW doesn't like Toyota's processes and methodologies....especially in the QA department.
 

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I did not seriously mean one company makes all the interiors now, just that the styles in use and production techniques and materials everyone is using is super similar. Its resulting in not being able to tell who makes the car you are sitting in by just looking at the interior. I've actually been shopping for a truck lately, something I've never done before. I decided an 01 - 04 Tacoma was the way to go and went and looked at one. Sitting in it, I instantly felt at home. The interior plastics, components and build quality all scream vintage 90s Toyota. It was perfect. Sitting right next to that truck was an 05 model, with a modern Toyota interior. There wasn't much familiar in it or much that seemed distinctively Toyota to me, it looked the same as most modern interiors from just about any make. I know its partially a generational change and I'm not as familiar with modern Toy interiors, but sitting in all of the cars at the trade show it really felt like everyone is doing things the same way now, which wasn't the case at all in the 90s and earlier.

The axis quip was just a joke about whos involved in this project, don't read into it so much. ;)
I know what you mean....and it's true alot of interiors nowadays look alike, almost as if they were produced from only a handful of manufacturers. What I wish we could see with the Supra is, that they step out of that box of "ordinary" and do something extraordinary! I keep using the MKIV Supra as an example, because it truly is a engineering marvel. The interior on an MKIV Supra is very well laid out...forget the materials used....the cockpit like feel to the interior set it apart from alot of cars in that era. The MKV Supra needs to do the same.
 

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Maybe after a few years, but I am pretty sure in one of the videos the partnership in the beginning was very difficult and didnt go well for a long time...
 

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Yesterday the BMW M2 Competition Ppackage was unveiled.
With the M3/M4's 3.0l straight six twin turbo engine rated at 404hp, don't be surprised to see it powering a GRMN version of the Supra as well.
 

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Yesterday the BMW M2 Competition Ppackage was unveiled.
With the M3/M4's 3.0l straight six twin turbo engine rated at 404hp, don't be surprised to see it powering a GRMN version of the Supra as well.
Source : https://www.autozeitung.de/bmw-m2-competition-2018-preis-technische-daten-192586.html?image=2

The BMW M2 Competition presumably emulates the special version of the larger brother from Spring 2018 and rolls with stronger engine and readjusted sports suspension to the starting line. It reveals a leak on Bimmerpost already the first details on the even sportier M2: So the authors of the forum post have learned that not the standard 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder (N55B30) is used, but the S55 engine from the M3 / M4. Rumor has it, the new unit could come up to 410 hp and be coupled to a six-speed manual or to a seven-speed DCT. That should also be reflected in the performance: one to two hundredths of a second could the tightened M2 the serial counterpart in the acceleration to 100 km/h in 4.5 seconds (manual).
 

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Late to this thread, but honestly, DCT-only would be best case news for me. :bow: Not only is that what I wanted from the start, but it would also mean I won't get a big upcharge for ticking that option like BMW/Porsche like to do to their customers.

Also would be far easier to find the car I want, as I suspect I won't be able to order a car, but will be stuck with whatever garbage Gulf States Toyota decides to deliver.

Further, a DCT could indicate that the car will be more powerful than previously anticipated. Not a guarantee of course, but all in all, performance cars with a dual clutch tend to skew to the high end.

Driving a stick is OK but I prefer the DCT. I feel a little bad for those of you who want a stick but, after all, I'm buying a car for myself and not for all of you. :p

Worst-case we go back to the slush-only expectation. :puke:
 
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