Reviews are in for 2020 Supra MKV preproduction car

I think the way Toyota shows the mkv to the public is weird and tough. First years of spyshots, those endless teases, Goodwood and now this event in Spain and it's still camo'd and the teasing goes on.

It's like the guy who manages this is a apprentice.

Jabba said:

Hey guys, new member to the forum. Very exciting day. I got this from a video through another thread here, don't know if you've seen it, but it's the best view I've seen of the digital instrument display. Sorry for the quality.

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I wonder how many different modes that display will have. Like will a sport mode turn everything red, red-line light, etc...

Nice find!

SS900 said:

I disagree on that front. The A80 is a better car than the A70 is every single way. The interior of the A80 is special in a way the A70’s never was, the simplicity of its design is actually a work of art, the A70 interior looks like a dinosaur next to it. Performance is not even close stock to stock so I am not really sure what you are talking about. Looks is subjective so to each their own and i’ll Even admit, at first I didn’t like the looks of the A80, the interior got me to notice it, then the drive, then the looks really grew on me, it was definitely not love at first sight though.

No one is comparing the A80 and A90 spec for spec, the disappointment is not with the specs, it’s with the soul, heritage, honor, respect of what came before that is the issue. It’s an emotional subject to some, respect it, let them get it out of their system and don’t tell them they are wrong to feel what they feel. The less you push back, the sooner they will get their disappointment out of their system, no different than the grieving process when a loved one dies.

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My points were designed to be subjective in that anything can be nitpicked.
Supras have never been the best looking in their class, definitely an acquired taste lol

I understand why you say it lost it's soul, but I personally rather it be this way than in the case of the GTR. The GTR, while an absolute unit, isn't a driver's car. I believe Tada is making statements the way he is to show that the Supra is still fun in a difference sense that doesn't need 550hp with a $100K price tag. Whether we like it or not being partially BMW, these articles make the car out to be kept and driven because it is fun instead of being resold every other year from boredom like the GTR.

Respect and honor are just things we have assigned to the name internally. This is nothing more than assigning pride to a favorite sports team and feeling their excitement when they win or disappointment when they lose as if we had anything to do about it.

We will have to see what else Toyota has in store since details of GR parts haven't been released yet.

380hp on factory tune with a chassis to match sounds like a blast to drive

justbake said:

380hp on factory tune with a chassis to match sounds like a blast to drive

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Well said. I still think the key here will be the entry price if that's what they are giving us as a starting platform.

I like some feel a certain way about the name. But for the most part the reviews all seem to align with positive notes which is a good thing and shows the potential is there. Still more to come and I can only assume they will take the feedback and only improve before the final product is released.

Supraman said:

Well said. I still think the key here will be the entry price if that's what they are giving us as a starting platform.

I like some feel a certain way about the name. But for the most part the reviews all seem to align with positive notes which is a good thing and shows the potential is there. Still more to come and I can only assume they will take the feedback and only improve before the final product is released.

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Yep, price is definitely a key factor....hope they don't go the 350Z route with the entry price that Nissan did.

Supraman said:

Well said. I still think the key here will be the entry price if that's what they are giving us as a starting platform.

I like some feel a certain way about the name. But for the most part the reviews all seem to align with positive notes which is a good thing and shows the potential is there. Still more to come and I can only assume they will take the feedback and only improve before the final product is released.

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https://jalopnik.com/2019-toyota-supra-the-king-is-back-and-good-enough-to-1829117407

This article from Jalopnik is guessing 65k, but I think that should be GRMN trim after options.

Jabba said:

https://jalopnik.com/2019-toyota-supra-the-king-is-back-and-good-enough-to-1829117407

This article from Jalopnik is guessing 65k, but I think that should be GRMN trim after options.

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I guess, as they certainly feel, there’s no shame in that. I did ask if reliability was a concern—it’s not unfair to wonder if a BMW engine will be as bulletproof as a Toyota engine—but was told that it’s covered by the usual Toyota warranty, so that should be enough (although one official did admit that there were some “long discussions” with the warranty department over it).

This will be a very very interesting topic in forums when the car is out and about...I bet anyone anything it will be plagued with BMW issues.

About 340 HP is my educated guess, and the more you press, the more the Supra piles on the speed. We learned today the U.S.-spec Z4 will get 382 HP and 369 lb-ft of torque. Take that as you will here. Toyota hasn’t made any hardware changes to the engine, just software, so it should be pretty similar. The engineers clam right up when you ask—they just say homologation isn’t finished yet.

The Z4 better not have more power than the MKV Zupra....

Will one of those updates be a manual gearbox? Don’t hold your breath. “While we know that a manual gives you more joy when driving,” Tada said, it’s just not that simple. The engine has a high torque output, and getting a manual to deal with that means having a heavier shift quality, which Tada doesn’t want. Engineering the sort of manual that could cope with the torque, but shift like a Miata, would cost lots. Tada says he wants to make the Supra “accessible to the fans, to keep it at an affordable price point,” so extra budget for a manual could skew that equation.

Come on Tada, you put a god-damn V160/161 in the MKIV that was capable of three times the MKIV's output....did you really cheap out on the transmission because of that much more of a price difference??...that's why no manual?? Well, I that answers that....disappointed. I always thought it was the BS they were feeding us about shift times and what not....yeah right. Money talks and BS walks.

I thought toyote DID change the engine ( head)?

PerformanceSound said:

Key notes taken:

Will one of those updates be a manual gearbox? Don’t hold your breath. “While we know that a manual gives you more joy when driving,” Tada said, it’s just not that simple. The engine has a high torque output, and getting a manual to deal with that means having a heavier shift quality, which Tada doesn’t want. Engineering the sort of manual that could cope with the torque, but shift like a Miata, would cost lots. Tada says he wants to make the Supra “accessible to the fans, to keep it at an affordable price point,” so extra budget for a manual could skew that equation.

Come on Tada, you put a god-damn V160/161 in the MKIV that was capable of three times the MKIV's output....did you really cheap out on the transmission because of that much more of a price difference??...that's why no manual?? Well, I that answers that....disappointed. I always thought it was the BS they were feeding us about shift times and what not....yeah right. Money talks and BS walks.

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$500 million for a MT

PerformanceSound said:

Key notes taken:



Will one of those updates be a manual gearbox? Don’t hold your breath. “While we know that a manual gives you more joy when driving,” Tada said, it’s just not that simple. The engine has a high torque output, and getting a manual to deal with that means having a heavier shift quality, which Tada doesn’t want. Engineering the sort of manual that could cope with the torque, but shift like a Miata, would cost lots. Tada says he wants to make the Supra “accessible to the fans, to keep it at an affordable price point,” so extra budget for a manual could skew that equation.

Come on Tada, you put a god-damn V160/161 in the MKIV that was capable of three times the MKIV's output....did you really cheap out on the transmission because of that much more of a price difference??...that's why no manual?? Well, I that answers that....disappointed. I always thought it was the BS they were feeding us about shift times and what not....yeah right. Money talks and BS walks.

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Actually... from a manufacturing point of view it will add a lot of money to the cost of the car. The more options you offer, the more money you are committed to. My guess they are not expecting to move a lot of units and that’s why they are keeping an open mind for the future without committing to it now. If they sell more than expected then they will add options. Simple business.

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Yeah, I'm 100% buying this car, that BOV just sold me.

Rotaryrunner said:

I thought toyote DID change the engine ( head)?

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You mean the whole Yamaha involvement with the head? I believe that was one of many forum rumors.

I hate visiting dealership. Every time when dealers work on my car, I would either have a scratch on the side of the door or a hole in my bumper.

Knowing its built by BMW, I am sure visiting them on a regular basis. Who has time.

PerformanceSound said:

Key notes taken:

I guess, as they certainly feel, there’s no shame in that. I did ask if reliability was a concern—it’s not unfair to wonder if a BMW engine will be as bulletproof as a Toyota engine—but was told that it’s covered by the usual Toyota warranty, so that should be enough (although one official did admit that there were some “long discussions” with the warranty department over it).

This will be a very very interesting topic in forums when the car is out and about...I bet anyone anything it will be plagued with BMW issues.

About 340 HP is my educated guess, and the more you press, the more the Supra piles on the speed. We learned today the U.S.-spec Z4 will get 382 HP and 369 lb-ft of torque. Take that as you will here. Toyota hasn’t made any hardware changes to the engine, just software, so it should be pretty similar. The engineers clam right up when you ask—they just say homologation isn’t finished yet.

The Z4 better not have more power than the MKV Zupra....

Will one of those updates be a manual gearbox? Don’t hold your breath. “While we know that a manual gives you more joy when driving,” Tada said, it’s just not that simple. The engine has a high torque output, and getting a manual to deal with that means having a heavier shift quality, which Tada doesn’t want. Engineering the sort of manual that could cope with the torque, but shift like a Miata, would cost lots. Tada says he wants to make the Supra “accessible to the fans, to keep it at an affordable price point,” so extra budget for a manual could skew that equation.

Come on Tada, you put a god-damn V160/161 in the MKIV that was capable of three times the MKIV's output....did you really cheap out on the transmission because of that much more of a price difference??...that's why no manual?? Well, I that answers that....disappointed. I always thought it was the BS they were feeding us about shift times and what not....yeah right. Money talks and BS walks.

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DevonK said:

Too bad about the poor sightlines. Out the back this was to be expected, but out front as well....

You sit low, peering through a letterbox windscreen with a high window line and the curved bonnet spearing off into the distance. No idea whether it is (it probably is) but it immediately feels bigger than, say, a Porsche 718 Cayman, whose corners are easier to place, owing to better visibility. You are aware at once where the Supra’s engine is.​

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Psst, Toyota used to make a cool car called a Supra. It had a super long inline 6 in it, so one of the trademarks of the cars was hoods that went on for miles. People liked that about them, seeing that big hood ahead of you felt great and was part of the appeal of the car. If you want a car where the hood just drops right out of your line of sight and it feels like you're sitting on the road, get a Honda Fit or Civic or something.

The shoulder check view being crap isn't surprising. New cars seem to struggle with that a lot these days, but being a true 2 seater you know it will be worse in that department then all the old cars. The 370z suffers from this too.

As much as I love the MKIV, this car will out perform it stock for stock. MKIV was a 13.2-13.4 @ 106-108 car

MKV will have no issue running 12s north of 110.