Why I'm NOT Hyped About The New Toyota Supra

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Was it because it lacked power?
Most likely, majority of 86/FRS/BRZ/GT86 owners eventually move on to different cars because of the power.
Obviously the car wasn't the right car for them. And they had no choice but to look elsewhere.

But there are some who appreciate the driving dynamics and the characteristics of the car. They understand the philosophy.

It's okay, once MFGhost becomes an anime, the Takumi/Kanata tax will hit, and people will be buying the 86 again.

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I speak my mind and I do the same thing you do, but with brutal honesty and I don’t like to sugarcoat things. As far as the whole elitist things go, read some of your own comments. You seem like a nice guy, you really do but pay attention to the things you say "I can’t expect everyone to understand driving dynamics" is a total elitist mindset and comment. You did a good job moving away from it quickly and try to set a different tone but you are a hypocrite calling me names.

Not a single person who is a true car enthusiast that actually has the funds to drive a real car would ever even consider the 86. The only appeal the 86 has if you have money to blow on making it an experimental in a blue moon weekend event car that you get to beat on. Or it’s just the poor’s man car of choice. In reality, besides it’s handling potential it’s a p.o.s. What in the world is that engine? Interior? Even in the looks department it suffers and it looks and feels cheap as hell. There are much better options out there. It’s a freaking scion for god sake.

I know you like it, but it does not make it a great car.

I understand the power you have over me on this forum so naturally you can do as you wish but I never called you names so a little self reflection on your end wouldn’t hurt.

On another note, you don’t know anything about me. You have no idea what cars I own or owned or my driving skills set. I am amused at how much love you have for the 86. A one trick pony.
Your posts have been very toxic and have added NOTHING OF A VALUE to the forum.
People love the cars they love for one reason or another. Just because you don’t like that car for personal reason, doesn’t give you any rights to insult the car or person online.
But seems like you are one of those people who feel the need to call out ‘garbage’ cars and people who owns them.
What an immature and short sighted thought.
 

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Most likely, majority of 86/FRS/BRZ/GT86 owners eventually move on to different cars because of the power.
Obviously the car wasn't the right car for them. And they had no choice but to look elsewhere.

But there are some who appreciate the driving dynamics and the characteristics of the car. They understand the philosophy.

It's okay, once MFGhost becomes an anime, the Takumi/Kanata tax will hit, and people will be buying the 86 again.

jk
The twins hit so many sweet spots - great handling, perfect form factor, good looks - that many were able to overlook its one major weakness, that engine. But after living with it for a while its limitations became a much bigger consideration to some. They either went aftermarket or bailed.

I was all in on the driving dynamics and philosophy, it was the engine implementation that turned me off.
 

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I understand a lot of people are upset that the new A90 Supra isn’t quite the slice of cake they were expecting & I don’t blame a lot of you either. I mean if you owned the A80, then you would understand better than someone like myself (who has only dreamt of owning one) as you have experienced the twin turbo 2JZ in its full glory.

A lot of people also are quite pissed about the BMW/Toyota partnership. I mean if we think about it realistically, to get a new Supra whilst the world transitions into a prius owners heaven I think is a job well done in itself.

As laws are getting tighter, it becomes less sensible for toyota to go out taking risks considering they havent made a real sports car since the recent Gt-86 or Scion Fr-s as a lot of you call it - ofcourse this is an arguable statement in itself as many disagree to how credible the GT-86 is.

The investment required for Toyota to create their own Inline 6 wouldn’t be justifiable. Even if they did create their own I6, Tada-San has been quick to hint that the power the Supra has is plentiful and it does not need anymore, so there goes the idea of a GTR rival anyways.

Lets not forget that the B58 block is no joke, and BMW are famed for their I6 engines. If Tada-San wanted, he could have easily tuned it to 400-500BHP with ease, the B58 is more than capable for that power.

So I think we should look at perspective and agree that as much as it might not float everyones boat, we are quite lucky to be getting another Toyota sports car. Let’s hope it just one that we can all appreciate and enjoy till the inevitable end of the combustion engine.

(P.S. I can’t argue the fact that there is no manual option, so I will join the bandwagon for that)

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I'd also argue that a lot of hate for the new A90 comes from people who have either

a) never owned a stock A80 TT and just youtube/meme'd them their whole life (news flash a stock turbo 2JZ isn't exciting and runs out of puff at 6300)

b) have never owned more than one generation of supra


The A90 is the next chapter in the whole supra story, not a direct modern day A80.

A supra is more than just one generation. It's a series. I'm keen to see what the A90 adds to the series.

Ps. Moto San hinted that on some tracks the A90 is keeping up with the R35. Interesting. (he responded to me on FB around the goodwood car)
 

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I'd also argue that a lot of hate for the new A90 comes from people who have either

a) never owned a stock A80 TT and just youtube/meme'd them their whole life (news flash a stock turbo 2JZ isn't exciting and runs out of puff at 6300)

b) have never owned more than one generation of supra


The A90 is the next chapter in the whole supra story, not a direct modern day A80.

A supra is more than just one generation. It's a series. I'm keen to see what the A90 adds to the series.

Ps. Moto San hinted that on some tracks the A90 is keeping up with the R35. Interesting. (he responded to me on FB around the goodwood car)
Disagree. I’ve owned three Supras (2 x A80 and 1 x A70). This new car called anything but a Supra is better suited for what it is.

I sincerely don’t think this car can even hold a candle to R35’s performance. You’ll see how inaccurate that was once the car is released about it keeping up with a R35. Lol
 

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I sincerely don’t think this car can even hold a candle to R35’s performance. You’ll see how inaccurate that was once the car is released about it keeping up with a R35. Lol
Yeah, i'm with you. Did he mean the GT race car?? :rofl:

The GTR is legit on just about any circuit worth driving. That's a big claim.
 

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Yeah, i'm with you. Did he mean the GT race car?? :rofl:

The GTR is legit on just about any circuit worth driving. That's a big claim.
It’s probably a 4 second circuit where every car keeps up with every car. Lol. 300hp mutt keeping up with a real sports car without penny pinching.
 

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It’s probably a 4 second circuit where every car keeps up with every car. Lol. 300hp mutt keeping up with a real sports car without penny pinching.
So you've been to Gingerman Raceway? lol
 

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People can love cars. People can also have their opinion, voice and concerns about anything they want. Because 'merica.

Do you know what Car reviews have? Criticism. They point out the pros and cons of the vehicle. They can insult or praise the car as they wish.

But because an individual used adjectives that concerned you about this car, you have become emotionally distraught.

Your posts have been very toxic and have added NOTHING OF A VALUE to the forum.

What an immature and short sighted thought.
I have brought up the issue about Price of A90.
I have brought up the issue about Competition of the A90.
I have brought up the issue about Power of the A90.
I have brought up the issue about Weight of the A90.

Did you know that 99% of forum members disagreed with me when I brought it up? Did you know that they used verbs/adjectives to my disliking? See, me bitching about it?

But, if you have been following the forums recently...did you also recognize that they are now bringing up issues on Price, Competition, Power and Weight of the A90?

So, there is a reasoning as to why there has been a high level of criticism/concerns.


You see... People change when they realize Toyota is half assing this project. Largest and most profitable manufacturer who cant even develop their own engine. Sure it cost 2-9 billion on R&D but you realize they bring in over $200 billion YEARLY. So, 1 billion into engine development is chump change. They outsource their work. Talk about making enthusiast happy. Talking about making everyone else happy. Now killed their business ties with BMW. Locked the Supra in for death as no major engine improvements will be made without the Z4 getting into it too.

There are a majority of people in here who say "I'm going to buy the supra because SUPRA!"

Get a load of yourself.
 

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Disagree. I’ve owned three Supras (2 x A80 and 1 x A70). This new car called anything but a Supra is better suited for what it is.

I sincerely don’t think this car can even hold a candle to R35’s performance. You’ll see how inaccurate that was once the car is released about it keeping up with a R35. Lol
I agree re: gtr. It's either a tiny track or the actual car is far different to what anyone expects. Who knows. We've got a gtr as our work car and it is a weapon...
 

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Aside from the physics between the GTR and a90

This a90 Supra isn't even in the competition or same group as the GTR right? It's competitor is the Z; 370Z

Right? Or am I still clinging on to the past? (ie: Supra & 300ZX Fairlady & RX-7)
 

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People can love cars. People can also have their opinion, voice and concerns about anything they want. Because 'merica.

Do you know what Car reviews have? Criticism. They point out the pros and cons of the vehicle. They can insult or praise the car as they wish.

But because an individual used adjectives that concerned you about this car, you have become emotionally distraught.



I have brought up the issue about Price of A90.
I have brought up the issue about Competition of the A90.
I have brought up the issue about Power of the A90.
I have brought up the issue about Weight of the A90.

Did you know that 99% of forum members disagreed with me when I brought it up? Did you know that they used verbs/adjectives to my disliking? See, me bitching about it?

But, if you have been following the forums recently...did you also recognize that they are now bringing up issues on Price, Competition, Power and Weight of the A90?

So, there is a reasoning as to why there has been a high level of criticism/concerns.


You see... People change when they realize Toyota is half assing this project. Largest and most profitable manufacturer who cant even develop their own engine. Sure it cost 2-9 billion on R&D but you realize they bring in over $200 billion YEARLY. So, 1 billion into engine development is chump change. They outsource their work. Talk about making enthusiast happy. Talking about making everyone else happy. Now killed their business ties with BMW. Locked the Supra in for death as no major engine improvements will be made without the Z4 getting into it too.

There are a majority of people in here who say "I'm going to buy the supra because SUPRA!"

Get a load of yourself.
You say that like $2-9 billion isnt a lot of money to a company. The risk of introducing a new Supra is major itself. You can’t just decide to start gunning for the market leader (Porsche 718 Cayman) when you haven’t made an engine in the same calibre since 2002.. The Supra isn’t going to be sold to every Tom, Dick and Harry and we all know that. They will never recoup their initial investment into the the R&D funds of the inhouse Inline 6, so it makes no sense for them to even bother with it..
 
 




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