This is the new Toyota Supra (EU Spec)! Revealed in email from Toyota Germany

Mike Myers · Dec 29, 2018

Australian of The North said:
You cant measure reliability of a brand by your personal experiences, or by others you know.
You need to measure using a very large pool (10,000+) of cars, over a sustained period of time, and that are directly comparable.
Large surveys by stat gathering organisations, motoring bodies, repairers, manufacturers and the like give us the best idea, but they often don't break down subgroups, they lump all car types together.

These reports very consistently report Lexus and Toyota as at on or the top, with Nissan below then, someone by quite a lot - however, thats an average across all model of each brand - very obviously you shouldn't compare a GTR with a Toyota Yaris for reliability. None of those sub-stats generally exist, because its not of enough importance to be conducted in general. Toyota and Nissan dont car if the GTR is or isnt more reliable than an LC500. They care that the entire brand is. Toyota>NIssan for overall reliabliity, It sells better, but it doesnt mean the specific car you buy is or isnt more reliable.

To get a real understanding of reliability in comparison to others, you need to find 5000 of EACH specific model lets say R34 GTR, an RZ SUpra, and a Nismo 370z, then find out which actually has the worst failure rate. You could then still argue its not specific enough and repeat for only JDM versons, or JDM versions Vs Euro or US Spec. You get the idea. Big numbers of cars, lots of information, and actual comparable data set.

Using things like "My friend's brother's, father's, sister's, mother's roommate from college had 2 Nissans and they both broke down all the time" - that is usless to measuring reliability,... nor does "I've owned 5 Toyota over 50 years, driven 6 billion miles, never changed oil, brake, or coolant, dash is still like new!!".

So much truth! That’s why I can’t here all that reliability discussion any longer.
I already referred to German ADAC statistics month ago. BMW is always on top. And yes, that’s representative.

Don’t forget: In Germany you find some roads you are able to drive as fast as you want to. The cars are at their limits again and again. This is all days hardcore testing.

Your asking for long time reliability? Just take care of your car. It’s on you.

AsupramkvC · Dec 29, 2018

Dunc said:
Toyota have struggled to get the 300 UK deposits and must have read the predominantly negative feedback online. This must have knocked their confidence so I think (hope) that will be shaping to final body tweaks (lips, wings, splitters, etc) and pricing.

You mean to say the 300 initial slots allotted for UK were not all spoken for?

Ursicles · Dec 29, 2018

One of the guys said he placed a deposit on christmas day without any issue which would suggest there are still slots available.

The supra market place is pretty small/niche given it's a car that stopped production 15yrs ago and most casual observers never really pair much attention to either.

Toyota aren't really marketing the car very well either as most are bored looking at camo pics of the car and no real information bar 'its a BMW engine's.

Snailtrail · Dec 29, 2018

Australian of The North said:
You cant measure reliability of a brand by your personal experiences, or by others you know.
You need to measure using a very large pool (10,000+) of cars, over a sustained period of time, and that are directly comparable.
Large surveys by stat gathering organisations, motoring bodies, repairers, manufacturers and the like give us the best idea, but they often don't break down subgroups, they lump all car types together.

These reports very consistently report Lexus and Toyota as at on or the top, with Nissan below then, someone by quite a lot - however, thats an average across all model of each brand - very obviously you shouldn't compare a GTR with a Toyota Yaris for reliability. None of those sub-stats generally exist, because its not of enough importance to be conducted in general. Toyota and Nissan dont car if the GTR is or isnt more reliable than an LC500. They care that the entire brand is. Toyota>NIssan for overall reliabliity, It sells better, but it doesnt mean the specific car you buy is or isnt more reliable.

To get a real understanding of reliability in comparison to others, you need to find 5000 of EACH specific model lets say R34 GTR, an RZ SUpra, and a Nismo 370z, then find out which actually has the worst failure rate. You could then still argue its not specific enough and repeat for only JDM versons, or JDM versions Vs Euro or US Spec. You get the idea. Big numbers of cars, lots of information, and actual comparable data set.

Using things like "My friend's brother's, father's, sister's, mother's roommate from college had 2 Nissans and they both broke down all the time" - that is usless to measuring reliability,... nor does "I've owned 5 Toyota over 50 years, driven 6 billion miles, never changed oil, brake, or coolant, dash is still like new!!".

Agree with a lot of what you have stated - it can be difficult to work out the more reliable car brands - and even then the better ones can have models or years that are off.
Personally I wouldn't be concerned re Toyota part of the Supra - more the BMW side. Yes BMW build great cars but if they go wrong they cost a bomb to get right. Know someone that bought a BMW 323i brand new and had nothing but issues with major component failures - not a game ender itself - but had to push up to the top brass of BMW for repairs to be done right only to be told dont keep any BMW past the 150,000kms mark otherwise be prepared to empty your wallet.

Mike Myers · Dec 29, 2018

oduli81 said:
Nardo Gray.. if possible . If not then matt gray

Tried some nardo grey. Hope you like it.

Supra93 · Dec 29, 2018

To all the doubters, someone was smart enough to take a screen shot of the email.

2JZ-No-Sh*t · Dec 29, 2018

With the cat out of the bag, Toyota might as well just release the official photos of the car already.

SPMS · Dec 29, 2018

GrayFox_MK5 said:
No I haven't. Although I do run a tighter belt since I have an upgraded lightweight pulley.

Bruh

You haven't heard a squeak from your timing belt on your Z, because you dont have one

. All Zs from 2003 have timing chains

vb22 · Dec 29, 2018

@A70TTR, do you know if anyone has gotten fired over this?

A70TTR · Dec 29, 2018

Egh, that's way less of a big deal than people leaking photos taken of the car in transit or being prepped for shows.

Unfortunate, but it was probably an honest mistake. I don't think it was intentional because they changed it not long after (dumb when you realize how the internet works).

bogglo · Dec 29, 2018

that picture looks like every other rendering to me.I don't think anybody should get fired for that. now for the front and rear leak that's a different story.

Sadfhorde · Dec 29, 2018

Looks great! Personally speaking, I would eventually do a smoked effect on those taillights.

2JZ-No-Sh*t · Dec 29, 2018

The memes have began. :lol:

oduli81 · Dec 29, 2018

Mike Myers said:
Tried some nardo grey. Hope you like it.

Man you just made my night.. thanks

Blissya · Dec 30, 2018

AsupramkvC said:
You mean to say the 300 initial slots allotted for UK were not all spoken for?

Still open for reservations

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