Toyota "Preparing" Hotter Supra GRMN, Says Chief Engineer

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I spoke to A70. He said the 700hp motor IS the B58. During development they apparently tested it to that level without failure.
The iron block is also a B58, do you mean it's the same engine they're using in the GR?
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Hey there.

Just saw this, is there gonna be a new ISF, havent read anything about Lexus developing an ISF.

Just asking coz ill be interested if that comes out.

thanks
 

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Sure, but now at $70-$80k, you have the same argument...
So everyone wanted a lightweight 430hp track monster that'll compete with a +$90k Cayman GT4 for $50k?! o_O
With inflation alone, a bare bones MKIV that most probably wouldn't hold it's own against a GT4 would be approximately $71k today
 

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Hey there.

Just saw this, is there gonna be a new ISF, havent read anything about Lexus developing an ISF.

Just asking coz ill be interested if that comes out.

thanks
Just rumors at this point, people saying it's a possibility in 2020. I'm sure some of the insiders on here can give a hint here or there LOL.
 

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there are a lot of replacements coming in the 2020-2022 timeframe... they let too many of the platforms go for too long and now it's a game of catch up (speaking TMG at large).

the next gen F series vehicles, including the new ones, are so much better IMO.
 

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I personally do not see a problem with using the Lexus LS500 V35A-FTS for the GRMN Supra. However, there are lots of things to consider,
  • Where will the car be built
  • What is the inspiration of Supra with this new Engine
  • Will it still be called a Supra
  • Will it have functional Vents and a Manual?
Seeing how crazy the community got with BMW being in the picture. I am sure there will be the same group of people debating the fact that the GRMN Supra does not have a i6.

This reminds me of the introduction of the GTR back in 08. Nissan announced that the new GTR was going to be a V6TT AND an Auto. The community was outraged but when the car was released and sold, that quickly died. I wonder...does that mean Toyota Enthusiast are more passionate than Nissan community?
 

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there are a lot of replacements coming in the 2020-2022 timeframe... they let too many of the platforms go for too long and now it's a game of catch up (speaking TMG at large).

the next gen F series vehicles, including the new ones, are so much better IMO.
Hmm ok. I actually like the IS 300 F Sport. Good things coming in a reboot?
 
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there are a lot of replacements coming in the 2020-2022 timeframe... they let too many of the platforms go for too long and now it's a game of catch up (speaking TMG at large).

the next gen F series vehicles, including the new ones, are so much better IMO.
I tell you, I'm really looking forward to seeing some of the expected platforms being replaced with the much needed next gen platforms for many of their cars and trucks.

Examples include next generation 4Runner/GX460, Landcruiser/LX570, GS, Tundra, IS and ISF. I wish Toyota would make extended Landcruiser/LX570 wheelbase versions. We would have bought that truck in a heart beat but we actually need seating for 8 plus cargo space and the Landcruiser/LX570 didn't cut it in terms of space and so we went with a domestic vehicle. First domestic ever and I guess it's been fine. I know those trucks don't sell a lot to begin with but I'm sure there's a market for an extended wheelbase model in there somewhere. Seeing that people are so SUV hungry these days, I think that makes more sense than building a convertible LC500, even with as beautiful as it is. Besides, the Landcruiser name is LEGENDARY, 100 times more legendary than the Supra name.

The 4Runner needs to step up it's game big time too. That new Jeep Wrangler kills the 4Runner in terms of features and the 4Runner is on such an old platform. I know if it ain't broke don't fix it but that can only carry you so long. I just hope they don't come up short on the next gen 4Runner and leave sales on the table for the Wrangler to pick up.

Tundra really should look at diesel even though I know diesel isn't in Toyota's vocabulary (at least in the US), they really should look at it. They sell enough RAV4 and Camry's for Toyota to take a little bit of a hit to offer a low volume diesel in the Tundra if nothing more than to advertise that they have a diesel. Even Nissan has a 3rd party branded diesel.

GS...will it be killed? Won't it be killed? I have heard every rumor which way for this car. Regardless, something needs to be done because it's way long in the tooth and has been left behind by practically every manufacturer with their competing models. Hopefully, they keep it going and the next gen GS is awesome. I thought I read that GR is developing the GSF. Not clear if that is to mean the next gen GSF or if they're going to rework the current GSF during the refresh.

Lastly, the IS needs a next gen platform badddddddd. I'm sad to see the ISF was dropped but hopefully, they bring it back. I would love to see it keep the v8 but maybe make it smaller and go turbo. The F models would really be building legacy if they keep all of the F models with v8's. I just hope the next gen IS is a little bigger like maybe the size of what the BMW E90 was. The F series was a little too big and now the BMW G series is way too big. It's basically the size of what their 5 series used to be.
 

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I donā€™t have to accept anything, Iā€™ll go buy something else... I want a manual and Iā€™ll vote with my wallet. Iā€™ll be waiting to see what they come out with but there are still amazing options in this price point that offer a manual.
+1

With this platform given it's still new, it would be gamble to buy it 1st year production. It would be better to lease it to feel it depending on the residual. Since it doesn't have a manual gearbox, it's dealbreaker and I'm more in favor of buying used after the depreciation and bottoming out have occurred.

I think the GRMN version is going to be a more sportier version of the GR with more aero, better engine tune and suspension, weight reduction with a higher price tag and in competition with the GT4.
 

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Toyota spends a lot of time testing engines for reliability, no chance in hell they do all that again for a new engine on a limited release car.
The new GRMN Yaris and Vitz swapped the 1.5L 1NZ-FE for a 1.8L 2ZR-FE with a Supercharger and a 6MT, moving from 138hp to 210hp.

The GRMN Vitz added a turbo to the 1.5L 1NZ-FE moving from 106hp to 152hp. (Similar to the earlier TRD Turbo Vitz Kit).

The GRMN iQ added a supercharger to the 1.3L 1NR-FE moving from 93hp to 120hp.

There is precedent.

Jeff
 

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[...] The IS needs a next gen platform badddddddd.
I agree with most of what you wrote, and I'm not saying the IS shouldn't be updated (it should), but I'm curious about why it needs a new platform, and why it needs it bad(ddd...)?

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I agree with most of what you wrote, and I'm not saying the IS shouldn't be updated (it should), but I'm curious about why it needs a new platform, and why it needs it bad(ddd...)?

Jeff
Well, every manufacturer competing in this segment has released an updated car and has moved on and up. The competing models have gotten bigger with more features and more modern exterior and interior designs. The competing models from BMW and Benz have not only released their newest generation IS competitor but their 3 Series and C class have arguably moved up to compete in a higher price point and left the 2 Series and A class to compete with the IS in terms of price.

It's still using the basic same 3.5 v6 from last generation. BMW is now offering laser lights on the G20. BMW and Benz are offering a wide spread of differing engines to meet varying price points. Lexus' interior design of the IS is just plain old. Those sliding temp controls need to go! Just some examples but the most important reason why the IS needs a next gen platform is because then maybe Lexus will reintroduce the ISF as I don't see one coming on this platform.

On a side note, in my original post I mentioned some examples of how purists moaned and groaned about the car manufacturer changing a "key" attribute of cars. I forgot to mention how the greatest car to ever come out of Japan started life using inline 6s and then moved to a 3.8 twin turbo (gasp) V6. That's right. Godzilla himself.
 

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Iā€™m pretty sure, this has been flirted with.

But what do you guys think of Toyota simply reviving the 2JZ-GTE and completely rebuilding and re-mastering it and modernize it with todayā€™s standard, even possibly squeezing more out of the engine.

And use that in the GRMN. Of course M/T as a cherry on the top.

Since Iā€™m sure, Toyota wonā€™t develop a new inline6. Might as well use a inline6 they already had in the past. A v6 in my opinion doesnā€™t fit a Supra. But Iā€™d rather take a Toyota v6 over a B58.

Wishful thinking



But on the real though, the MKV will always be a BMW regardless GRMN or not.

Sad truth.
As much as it pains me to say this (not because I want the MkV Supra changed or anything but in general). It. Will. NEVER. Happen. Again.
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EVER.

I won't bother to get down into reasons, but I can confidently tell you this *holds back tears* it will simply never happen anymore. The 2JZ will forever be in the past. Forever.

The only case where we will see inline-sixes again in Toyotas (other than one being outsourced from BMW then becoming Toyota), is they they pull a Mercedes-Benz and resurrect it again.
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