Game: Post your personal pros/cons on the MKV Supra

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for all the people who think its small or short or whatever
did you know the dimensions of the new Supra? It’s wider than the old one, about the same height, and it’s only short of less than 4 inches In today’s standards we all know that cars companies try to make compact cars, you can compare all the sports cars before 20 years and now to know what I mean Also, forget about the HP, Supra was only famous for being beast after modification and kept at reasonable price tag when stock Toyota is expensive and if they did 450hp I’m sure it will be 80k $ But being at 50k means many people will own it, and that is the only reason will generate huge of after market potential Look at the expensive cars, because no one is able to afford, it’s no suprise that after market has no interests of manufacturing anything for them. I think to re-create hype and generate buzz about the Supra, you need to make sure it’s there available everywhere on the streets I was having mk4 from 1999 till 2005, and I still remember all these after market how they make money of GTR and Supra parts, that’s not the case anymore GTR is now at 120k, which make it very hardly purchased, and therefore very few and expensive after market parts compared to before I think Toyota knew this too well And the inline 6 engine especially b58 is considered as the best 6 cylinder engine available, and already has toning packages easily up to extra 120hp very safely .. Nobody enjoys a 120k GTR, the real racing geeks enjoy underestimated car that half the price modified to smoke 100k or 200k car This what the Japanese heritage and not the engine or the dashboard ... Back in the day, we use to search for super cars Ferrari, lambos, Porsche just to ask them if they accept to race, and once they see you on a Supra, it’s frighten them ...in my opinion This is what made the GTR and Supra so special

so for me
Pros:

-Exterior styling
-Price. I think the more people can afford it, the more after market parts built for it, just like an iPhone or galaxy case compared to htc :)
-exhaust note. if you ever own stock twin turbo mkiv, then you know its the exact same, that tells u Toyota paid some attention to details on supra heritage.

Cons:

-no manual transmission
-Fake vents
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Pros:
  • Compact form factor. Makes the car more agile, improves outwards visibility over competitors, lowers weight.
  • Sophisticated, state of the art chassis and suspension. Early reports point to this being a great-handling package, neutral in corners and throttle-adjustable, and capable of dual purpose use as a comfortable GT as well as a true sports car.
  • Strong engine. Great sounding, pulls well across the rev range, with more than adequate acceleration (4.1 to 60 for a $50k compact sports car is impressive).
  • Toyota reliability. (?)
Cons:
  • Weight. Ideally this should have come in around 3150 lbs. It's likely BMW required a solidity to the ride quality that together with the need for the body to serve as a convertible platform made this impossible at the target pricing.
  • Overwrought styling. Trying to cram the design features that worked so well on the longer, wider FT-1 into a smaller, rounder form factor resulted in an overstyled mess from some angles, the door vents being the worst offender. (The car may look better IRL, so this con is subject to revision.)
  • No manual. Probably a deal-breaker personally.
  • BMW reliability. (?)
 

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Pros;

- A brand new sports car being introduced into the market. A lot of people are bitching about the styling, the hp, the interior, the BMW shared parts bin...but no one is seeing the bigger picture here. Look at almost every other manufacturer out there and what they wanna bring out in the future...autonomous electric crossovers. That is what every mainstream car manufacturer is rushing out to produce. Even Toyota. They could've been content with selling RAV4's, Camry's, Corolla's, and Prius's to everyone and did not have to make this. They already make more than enough money from selling those appliance like cars and more so when they go autonomous electric cars. They are going to lose money on the Supra but they still decided to bring a brand new "affordable" sports car to the market. I mean think about it...Japanese manufacturers aren't really doing that any more. All we have are cars like the BRZ/GT86, Miata, Z and now the Supra. The GTR has gotten more expensive over the years (I remember when they were available for $70k at launch) and the new NSX is a failure and it's high asking price is one of those reasons. Look at what Mitsubishi did with the Eclipse. They turned it into a damn crossover. Toyota could have easily done that but didn't because they made a sports car for enthusiasts. The sports car market is dying and here we are with a brand new one and mostly everyone is bitching about it...:crazy:

- Exterior styling. One of the few cars to come out that stuck pretty close to the concept version, The rear end and rear quarter view of the car look awesome.

- BMW tune-ability. Get a reflash on this thing and you will gain 100hp/150ft. lbs. just like that. Now will it make the insane numbers like a 2JZ did once fully built and tuned? I doubt it. But with a tune, intake, downpipe, exhaust you can easily be in the 500hp range. More if you upgrade the turbo. Many people are bitching that 330hp isn't "enough" probably have never driven a car with more than 300hp at it's full potential. My 350z has only "306hp" and I regularly pass people in GT3's and Ferrari's on the track. A lot of people are scared to get the maximum benefit out of their cars. In the hands of a capable driver, expect this Supra to embarrass a lot of more expensive cars around a track when stock, Modified with bolt ons, a tune, some coilovers from MCS, Moton, JRZ or KW, sway bars, wheels and tires and it will be a beast.

Cons;

- Automatic transmission. Enthusiasts need a 6 speed manual. Hopefully we will get one soon.

- Weight. The car weighs 3400lbs. That's really heavy for a car this size. It's smaller than a BRZ/GT86, has no back seats, has a shorter wheelbase and weighs 600lbs more than it. And a BRZ/GT86 has back seats! I just don't get where all the extra mass is coming from in the chassis. I don't think a BMW B58 and a ZF 8 speed trans weigh that much would they? Seems like BMW is just throwing in useless weight to claim that 50/50 weight distribution. Oh well. Hopefully we get some dry carbon body kits for it.

- Fake vents galore. Why even bother having them in the first place? Even if you could replace them to be functional most would be of no use. The vents in the door sills don't go anywhere or cool anything at the back of the car. Same with the hood vents...really hard to make those functional as there isn't an opening on the bottom of the sheet metal. Hopefully, the aftermarket gets to work on this thing and we get some proper functional body kits. Or we get one that cleans up the fake vents like on the hood and door sills and under the tail lights. Toyota is throwing fake vents on all of their cars so I get why they did it to have the car fit in their design language but I am not a fan,

- The gauge cluster. It sorta looks like an afterthought. You have a full BMW interior, why not go with a traditional BMW speedometer and tach? I don't know maybe I need to see it in person before judging but as of now I am not really feeling it.

That's my 2 cents.
So in many of the drives, it seems like the Supra is actually a very good daily. I would assume most of the weight comes from the luxuries such as power seats and adjustable dampers, and it also comes from how much insulation is in the chassis.
 

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What I like about the 2020 Supra:
-3.0-liter inline-6 engine
-Seating position(close to the rear axle)
-Double-bubble roof design
-Sleek and wide exterior design(reminiscent to the FT-1 Concept)

What I don’t like about the 2020 Supra:
-No manual transmission(hopefully soon...)
-Not so much like the A80 that has jet-like interior cockpit
-Too much BMW influence design in the interior
-Too many fake vents
-Side mirrors look cheap with the black plastic. They should have colored it, or make it glossy, to make it look premium

My ideal Supra would be a 3.0-liter inline-6 mated to a manual transmission.
 
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What I don’t like about the 2020 Supra:
-No manual transmission(hopefully soon...)
-Not so much like the A80 that has jet-like interior cockpit
-Too much BMW influence design in the interior
-Too many fake vents


My ideal Supra would be a 3.0-liter inline-6 mated to a manual transmission.
I have a feeling that they will be using a manual in the next year or so. And the vents just need the plastic piece removed and a piece to direct the air and they'll be fully functional.

Everyone who wants the manual just needs to be patient, they'll get one eventually. I'm convinced of it.


Edit: however, the Internet being what it is, most people are going to be hating on the A90 until it's either exactly what they want, or it has a 2JZ in it.
 

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What I like about the 2020 Supra:
-3.0-liter inline-6 engine
-Seating position(close to the rear axle)
-Double-bubble roof design
-Sleek and wide exterior design(reminiscent to the FT-1 Concept)

What I don’t like about the 2020 Supra:
-No manual transmission(hopefully soon...)
-Not so much like the A80 that has jet-like interior cockpit
-Too much BMW influence design in the interior
-Too many fake vents


My ideal Supra would be a 3.0-liter inline-6 mated to a manual transmission.
Exactly this. Saying these are easy to make functional is misleading at the very least
 

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I have a feeling that they will be using a manual in the next year or so. And the vents just need the plastic piece removed and a piece to direct the air and they'll be fully functional.

Everyone who wants the manual just needs to be patient, they'll get one eventually. I'm convinced of it.


Edit: however, the Internet being what it is, most people are going to be hating on the A90 until it's either exactly what they want, or it has a 2JZ in it.
The aftermarket and tuners will be able fix those bits. Besides the 2JZ engine swap, for those who couldn’t wait for the manual, the aftermarket could initially offer mod to make the car manual. Later on, Toyota would surprise everyone by introducing a manual Supra(stock) once again.
 
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Pros:
1)It will help broaden the aftermarket segment for BMW vehicles
2)BMW's quality will improve
3)MKIV's will appreciate
4)More competition
5)BMW depreciation

Cons:
1)No manual transmission
2)Since it shares the Z4 frame, it lost 5.5 of length. Not by choice but by default
3)No 2+2
4)No base model nor itemized options
5)BMW tax
 

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2)Since it shares the Z4 unibody, it lost 5.3 of length. Not by choice but by default
3)No 2+2
4)No base model nor itemized options
5)BMW tax
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Looks good overall
Cheaper than the rumor mills had reported
Toyota finally has a 2nd sports car

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The fake vent on the door look a little tacky
Could be a little lighter
Ugly mirrors
No wing
No MT
 

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-exhaust note. if you ever own stock twin turbo mkiv, then you know its the exact same, that tells u Toyota paid some attention to details on supra heritage.

i didnt notice this at all, then again havent heard a stock exhaust in a while
 

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The aftermarket and tuners will be able fix those bits. Besides the 2JZ engine swap, for those who couldn’t wait for the manual, the aftermarket could initially offer mod to make the car manual. Later on, Toyota would surprise everyone by introducing a manual Supra(stock) once again.
wonder if they will bring targa tops back too. hardtops only for the first mkiv in 93 if i recall correctly. and autos only in 96 for some reason
 

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wonder if they will bring targa tops back too. hardtops only for the first mkiv in 93 if i recall correctly. and autos only in 96 for some reason
I think they went auto only in ‘96 because of emission stuff. Having a manual is a huge possibility; but having a targa top, that sounds like 50-50 to me since it’s a collaboration with BMW, which already has a Z4 convertible.
 

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wonder if they will bring targa tops back too. hardtops only for the first mkiv in 93 if i recall correctly. and autos only in 96 for some reason
I know a targa top would effect the structural ridgity of the body, but damn would I love one
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