Therealist
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If that’s all they had to complain about then that’s good going!People hated on the C7 for not having the circular taillights
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If that’s all they had to complain about then that’s good going!People hated on the C7 for not having the circular taillights
I disagree with this 100% lol. If Toyota was able to somehow pull off a limited run of say...1,500 V160 TT MKIV's, they wouldn't have even hit showroom floors. I guarantee they would have all been spoken for the second it was announcedEven if Toyota reproduced the MKIV, people would hate on it because it's too expensive or because Toyota is too lazy and can't build a new sports car.
The GT86 had quite a bit of hate, the R35 GT-R did too. Remember the S550 mustang? Or maybe even the S550 facelift? I personally will wait to see what people say when they actually interact with it. Internet talk is not worth much.I disagree. I thought and still do that the GT86 achieved what it set out to do very well and for what you get it’s not badly priced. Maybe a little high but not bad and it has genuine Toyota and Subaru developed parts. The injection system is all Toyota while the engine is Subaru. Both companies are Japanese and retained that philosophy in their manufacturing, which shows.
The new supra isn’t like that at all. That’s why it is receiving more hate. The original supras were all about pushing boundaries, challenging more experience rivals and most importantly, kept Japanese reliabilty. It’s always done that. The new one doesn’t push many boundaries really. In the US, it’s not a badly priced sports car, I admit, i would consider it if I was in the US.
People are disappointed because the MKIV held the record for braking distance for years, it out accelerated cars in way more expensive classes. The hype wasn’t unjustified, the MKIV in stock trim in 93 was a masterpiece and for a great price. It really wasn’t expensive for what it was. It was expensive for a Toyota.
Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
You bring up some valid points; such as the Supra pushing boundaries in the 90s. The MKIV was right up there with Porsche and Ferrari. However, Porsche and Ferrari were further down the pole in terms of R&D at the time in comparison to today. While the Supra, and Toyota stayed dormant for 20yrs in the realm of sports cars, companies like Porsche and Ferrari continued to grow and evolve. Toyota did not progress in a way as such and we're lucky to have even gotten a Supra that is comparable to some great modern competitors such as the Cayman for nearly 10-15k less. Not to mention what lies ahead with the potential GRMN (Toyota most certainly will not stop here).I disagree. I thought and still do that the GT86 achieved what it set out to do very well and for what you get it’s not badly priced. Maybe a little high but not bad and it has genuine Toyota and Subaru developed parts. The injection system is all Toyota while the engine is Subaru. Both companies are Japanese and retained that philosophy in their manufacturing, which shows.
The new supra isn’t like that at all. That’s why it is receiving more hate. The original supras were all about pushing boundaries, challenging more experience rivals and most importantly, kept Japanese reliabilty. It’s always done that. The new one doesn’t push many boundaries really. In the US, it’s not a badly priced sports car, I admit, i would consider it if I was in the US.
People are disappointed because the MKIV held the record for braking distance for years, it out accelerated cars in way more expensive classes. The hype wasn’t unjustified, the MKIV in stock trim in 93 was a masterpiece and for a great price. It really wasn’t expensive for what it was. It was expensive for a Toyota.
Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
yup exactly...many manufacturers, including Toyota, have brought back old classics for limited production like when they brought back the LC 70 for a year https://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/26/toyota-land-cruiser-70-anniversary-japan-relaunch/I disagree with this 100% lol. If Toyota was able to somehow pull off a limited run of say...1,500 V160 TT MKIV's, they wouldn't have even hit showroom floors. I guarantee they would have all been spoken for the second it was announced
lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
I mean I would buy a FRS or BRZ with the FA20DIT. That would be the ultimate car for me. It isn't horribly slow, but it is slow compared to all the cars it cross-shops against.lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
As history is bound to repeat itself, and consumers drive the car, what do you think might be the remaining complaint?!...the BMW factor?!...or still the power?!lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
manualAs history is bound to repeat itself, and consumers drive the car, what do you think might be the remaining complaint?!...the BMW factor?!...or still the power?!
Remember the FK8 release?lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
Some people need something to complain about all the time. That tidbit keeps them going and they try to influence others in the process. Which is bad!lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
I feel if Toyota can do it with the LC 70, they can do it with the MKIV. They would sell a ton of these cars because, not only do people want a clean MKIV in today's market, but banks would be able to finance this car as well...opening up a lot more buyers to the car than just cash buyers.yup exactly...many manufacturers, including Toyota, have brought back old classics for limited production like when they brought back the LC 70 for a year https://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/26/toyota-land-cruiser-70-anniversary-japan-relaunch/
They would need to remaster the A80 parts for thatI feel if Toyota can do it with the LC 70, they can do it with the MKIV. They would sell a ton of these cars because, not only do people want a clean MKIV in today's market, but banks would be able to finance this car as well...opening up a lot more buyers to the car than just cash buyers.