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Even if Toyota reproduced the MKIV, people would hate on it because it's too expensive or because Toyota is too lazy and can't build a new sports car.
I disagree with this 100% lol. If Toyota was able to somehow pull off a limited run of say...1,500 V160 TT MKIV's, they wouldn't have even hit showroom floors. I guarantee they would have all been spoken for the second it was announced
 

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Sure, the 1500 would sell out instantly, but half the reviewers would shit on it for just copying a car they already made, and then other half would shit on them for not making more lol.

Yeah, time will tell for sure with this car. I know how I feel about it right now, but I am looking forward to that potentially changing when I see it first hand, and then how I feel about it in the years to come (along with everyone else).

Like in that automobile magazine styling article that was posted in another thread, even the mk4 was not considered a styling success and was looked at as a boring design by many in the day. But it has aged phenomenally well, and pretty much everyone remembers it fondly now.
 

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I disagree. I thought and still do that the GT86 achieved what it set out to do very well and for what you get it’s not badly priced. Maybe a little high but not bad and it has genuine Toyota and Subaru developed parts. The injection system is all Toyota while the engine is Subaru. Both companies are Japanese and retained that philosophy in their manufacturing, which shows.

The new supra isn’t like that at all. That’s why it is receiving more hate. The original supras were all about pushing boundaries, challenging more experience rivals and most importantly, kept Japanese reliabilty. It’s always done that. The new one doesn’t push many boundaries really. In the US, it’s not a badly priced sports car, I admit, i would consider it if I was in the US.

People are disappointed because the MKIV held the record for braking distance for years, it out accelerated cars in way more expensive classes. The hype wasn’t unjustified, the MKIV in stock trim in 93 was a masterpiece and for a great price. It really wasn’t expensive for what it was. It was expensive for a Toyota.

Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
The GT86 had quite a bit of hate, the R35 GT-R did too. Remember the S550 mustang? Or maybe even the S550 facelift? I personally will wait to see what people say when they actually interact with it. Internet talk is not worth much.
 

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I disagree. I thought and still do that the GT86 achieved what it set out to do very well and for what you get it’s not badly priced. Maybe a little high but not bad and it has genuine Toyota and Subaru developed parts. The injection system is all Toyota while the engine is Subaru. Both companies are Japanese and retained that philosophy in their manufacturing, which shows.

The new supra isn’t like that at all. That’s why it is receiving more hate. The original supras were all about pushing boundaries, challenging more experience rivals and most importantly, kept Japanese reliabilty. It’s always done that. The new one doesn’t push many boundaries really. In the US, it’s not a badly priced sports car, I admit, i would consider it if I was in the US.

People are disappointed because the MKIV held the record for braking distance for years, it out accelerated cars in way more expensive classes. The hype wasn’t unjustified, the MKIV in stock trim in 93 was a masterpiece and for a great price. It really wasn’t expensive for what it was. It was expensive for a Toyota.

Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
You bring up some valid points; such as the Supra pushing boundaries in the 90s. The MKIV was right up there with Porsche and Ferrari. However, Porsche and Ferrari were further down the pole in terms of R&D at the time in comparison to today. While the Supra, and Toyota stayed dormant for 20yrs in the realm of sports cars, companies like Porsche and Ferrari continued to grow and evolve. Toyota did not progress in a way as such and we're lucky to have even gotten a Supra that is comparable to some great modern competitors such as the Cayman for nearly 10-15k less. Not to mention what lies ahead with the potential GRMN (Toyota most certainly will not stop here).
Secondly, the Corvette, while it's an American hallmark, did not come back from a 20 year sabbatical like the Supra just did. Hence, while high, expectations were not as high as that of the MKV. In turn, the resulting scrutiny would be commensurate to that. Not the mention, the bar wasn't set too high with the C6 Corvette lol...soooo wouldn't have taken much to impress those awaiting the C7. Remember, critics still say the Z06 feels like an unfinished car and I've gone into some serious detail in regards to the comparative pricing between the MKV and the C7 in another thread.
The MKIV and the C4/C5 Corvettes were strict competitors of their days in the 90's right there with the bigger boys such as Porsche and Ferrari...but, remember, Porsche and Ferrari are in another league now!

Let's take a look at today in terms of 0-60
1. Porsche 911 S: 3.5-seconds @ $113k
2. C7 Corvette: 3.7-seconds @ $56k
3. Ferrari 488: 3.0-seconds @ $301k

With the A90 we have, 4.1 seconds at $50k and potential for growth w/ higher performance models...we all have to remember that this A90 is a new generation that had years of development ahead. A potential GRMN will definitely bring something more serious to the table for a far less price in comparison to the 6 figures of Porsche and Ferrari.
 

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I disagree with this 100% lol. If Toyota was able to somehow pull off a limited run of say...1,500 V160 TT MKIV's, they wouldn't have even hit showroom floors. I guarantee they would have all been spoken for the second it was announced
yup exactly...many manufacturers, including Toyota, have brought back old classics for limited production like when they brought back the LC 70 for a year https://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/26/toyota-land-cruiser-70-anniversary-japan-relaunch/
 

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Anyway sorry for the rambling. My point was I don’t agree that everyone hates on new cars. The newest corvette was great on release, the gt86 was great on release and those cars didn’t receive the fraction of the hate...
lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
 

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lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
I mean I would buy a FRS or BRZ with the FA20DIT. That would be the ultimate car for me. It isn't horribly slow, but it is slow compared to all the cars it cross-shops against.
 

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lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.
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lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
As history is bound to repeat itself, and consumers drive the car, what do you think might be the remaining complaint?!...the BMW factor?!...or still the power?!
 

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lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
Remember the FK8 release?
 

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lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.
Some people need something to complain about all the time. That tidbit keeps them going and they try to influence others in the process. Which is bad!

The GT86 is what it is and with its own philosophy and it has been well received.
Most of the owners have agreed that its a blank canvas for them to paint or crayonnage how they like. And coming from Toyota its a gift, with reliability, to some extent even when boosted.

The Supra has not been out yet and all are screaming sacrilege!!! LOL! Give it a break and lets drive the damn thing first.

I am confident it will fair well, Toyota has a collaboration with BMW and they must have done there homework WELL!

Still awaiting for the first reviews and first modders to prove the whole world wrong.

But one thing is for sure, the A90 will never be able to shrug the 'reskinned Z4 tag'. People are just mean :(
 

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yup exactly...many manufacturers, including Toyota, have brought back old classics for limited production like when they brought back the LC 70 for a year https://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/26/toyota-land-cruiser-70-anniversary-japan-relaunch/
I feel if Toyota can do it with the LC 70, they can do it with the MKIV. They would sell a ton of these cars because, not only do people want a clean MKIV in today's market, but banks would be able to finance this car as well...opening up a lot more buyers to the car than just cash buyers.
 

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I feel if Toyota can do it with the LC 70, they can do it with the MKIV. They would sell a ton of these cars because, not only do people want a clean MKIV in today's market, but banks would be able to finance this car as well...opening up a lot more buyers to the car than just cash buyers.
They would need to remaster the A80 parts for that
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