Toyota Presents World Debut of the New 2022 GR 86

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The rumour last year was indeed that if a 2nd gen got greenlit, they might use the FA24 in NA form. I think that would be the way to go. A hybrid setup with a smaller downsized turbo engine just sounds like unneccessary extra complexity, weight, and cost, completely undermining the spirit of the 86 as an old school, affordable, and back to basics car.

Save the tricky and expensive hybrid tech for the Supra, or new MR2.
 

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The rumour last year was indeed that if a 2nd gen got greenlit, they might use the FA24 in NA form. I think that would be the way to go. A hybrid setup with a smaller downsized turbo engine just sounds like unneccessary extra complexity, weight, and cost, completely undermining the spirit of the 86 as an old school, affordable, and back to basics car.

Save the tricky and expensive hybrid tech for the Supra, or new MR2.
Was the GT87 in development prior to the Supra?
 

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it would actually surprise me if they put the fa24 in it and the reason is emissions of course.

Now for the 2nd gen there are strong indications for an electric motor, first there was a hybrid 86 concept , second toyota said that the supra will be their last petrol only sports car. So even if the image of the 86 today is simple affordbale etc , my guess is that for the 2nd gen it will go upmarket just a little bit.
 

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/second-generation-toyota-gt86-greenlighted-bosses

Second-generation Toyota GT86 greenlighted by bosses
New coupé will be developed in partnership with Subaru to sit beneath the new Supra

]Toyota has said that the GT86 coupé will be replaced with a new second-generation model developed in conjunction with Subaru.

The new version of the four-cylinder lightweight four-seater will sit beneath the recently launched six-cylinder Supra two-seater in an expanded line-up of Toyota sports cars, which will also make use of the firm’s GR Sport brand.

Following the launch of the Supra, there were reports that the GT86 may not be replaced.

Confirming that Toyota intends to develop a new GT86, European marketing boss Matt Harrison said it has been “a successful ‘halo’ product for us”. He added: “Supra is not to replace that car. They are for different audiences and are different products. We see a situation where they will sit alongside each other.”

The original GT86, launched in 2011, was co-developed with Subaru alongside the BRZ. It uses Subaru’s flat-four Boxer engine and transmission, and Harrison said it was “a safe assumption” that the next-generation model would retain those links. Toyota has used partnerships to help offset the high costs of developing relatively low-volume sports car models, with the Supra developed alongside the BMW Z4.

Toyota sees the GT86 and similar sports car models as powerful brand ambassadors, and company boss Akio Toyoda recently expressed a desire to build a full family of performance machines, in particular with its hot GR Sport line.

Speaking about the GT86, Harrison added: “Its role is not one particularly about volume globally. It’s about adding excitement to the brand and emotional appeal.

“The GT86 has definitely been successful for us in achieving that, particularly in markets like the UK.”
 

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I hate to be pessimistic, but the snippets of quotes from the Toyota exec in that article do not confirm a next gen has been officially greenlit. If you ignore the headline and Autocar’s own interpretation of events, and focus on the actual quotes they provided, the things he says could simply imply that Toyota will keep the current gen 86 on sale for a few more years, to sit alongside the new Supra, since they play in different market segments. I saw no quote where he specifically confirmed a mkII has been greenlit and is definite.

Unfortunately, online sites do this all the time, they catch a couple of vague quotes from an exec at a motor show or something, then they interpret those few words to mean much more than they actually do, then they write an article full of unsubstantiated assertions based on those quotes, then other sites pick it up and run the same story. Similar things have happened over the years regarding a turbo 86/BRZ STi, a new MR2, an impending 400Z etc, none of which are any closer to reality.
 

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https://www.motor1.com/news/345497/next-86-brz-toyota-platform/

Next-Gen Toyota 86, Subaru BRZ May Use Toyota Platform
To keep the sports car true to its rear-wheel-drive-roots, it might have to migrate to a Toyota platform.

The next generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ will remain rear wheel drive, but they won't be built on a Subaru platform. That news comes to us from the Australian publication Motoring.

The current BRZ and 86 is built on a heavily modified Impreza platform. An unnamed source at Subaru explained to Motoring that, unlike that platform, the current SGP (Subaru Global Platform) simply cannot be modified to create a rear wheel drive car. All wheel drive has never even been considered for the BRZ and 86.

That means that the next generation of the boxer twins will either retain its current platform or migrate to Toyota's TNGA architecture. Currently, the TNGA platform underpins cars like the Corolla, Camry, and RAV4. Believe it or not, this platform would actually save weight compared to the current car, and torsional rigidity would improve as well – both good things for sports cars. Best of all, the BRZ and 86 would remain rear wheel drive.

Since the launch of the original cars back in 2011, a lot has changed on the Toyota side of the equation. While their variant was originally launched in the US as the Scion FR-S, the car was later badged as a Toyota (as it was in the rest of the world) when the Scion brand was scrapped. In addition, Toyota also created their Gazoo Racing division, which no doubt has already provided plenty of input into the development of the second-generation car.

In fact, Motoring seems to think that the 2017 GR HV Sports concept offers a preview of the next generation BRZ and 86. If that's the case, fans can look forward to a car that's about the same size dimensionally but lighter than the current generation vehicle. In addition, they'd get a MKIV Supra-style removable targa roof panel, but with increased torsional rigidity hopefully eliminating the dreaded cowl shake endemic to open-topped cars.

Either way, we're glad that the Subaru BRZ and Toyota 86 are sticking around, and that they will remain true to their roots as a rear wheel drive sports car that's low on cost and high on fun.
 

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Take anything written about upcoming cars published by motoring.com.au with a huge pinch of salt. Their track record on reliable reporting, particularly about new sportscars, is hilariously awful. They also predicted an 86 convertible, a turbo version, and even an 86 sedan, in prior years. None of those based on reliable evidence.
 

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Take anything written about upcoming cars published by motoring.com.au with a huge pinch of salt. Their track record on reliable reporting, particularly about new sportscars, is hilariously awful. They also predicted an 86 convertible, a turbo version, and even an 86 sedan, in prior years. None of those based on reliable evidence.
They did make a concept, but it was never green-lighted. :(

 

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Take anything written about upcoming cars published by motoring.com.au with a huge pinch of salt. Their track record on reliable reporting, particularly about new sportscars, is hilariously awful. They also predicted an 86 convertible, a turbo version, and even an 86 sedan, in prior years. None of those based on reliable evidence.
Because, they've taken all the info from our sister site FT86Club. It's all from member's wishing list and nothing solid info. From there, they just made up BS article to get some clicks. It was pretty funny when 90% of those automotive site making an article bout some "new" info of 86... but reality is, it's all just forum posts. lol

But with that said, here are 2 things I'll add to the rumors.
1. There will be next gen 86/BRZ. Engine is questionable... which means it could be 1.5L boxer engine or FA24.
2. This rumor is nothing to do with 86/BRZ, but my buddy of mine in Japan have heard a rumor of Toyota testing out some kind of MR car early this year and just recently a lot of Japanese automotive site have rumoring Toyota is making next MR2.

Take those 2 rumors as grain of rice.
 

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1. There will be next gen 86/BRZ. Engine is questionable... which means it could be 1.5L boxer engine or FA24.
the upcoming 1.8 turbo boxer would be a good fit , i am guessing they will want to reduce emissions right?
 

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the upcoming 1.8 turbo boxer would be a good fit , i am guessing they will want to reduce emissions right?
I can’t say... well technically, idk. All I know is engine is the biggest question for next gen 86 atm. There’s a rumor of Toyota engine for next gen & that’s possible option. Same goes w hybrid option.
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