Analysis, Comments & Reactions from the Web about the new Supra

zedsix said:

It's a slightly modified BMW engine stamped with a BMW badge... literally. It can't be put any other way. I have no hate on the B58 engine or BMW in particular, but I can understand why people are hating - it's because they're wanting to buy something that reminded them of the 20th century Supra.... not a BMW... so whatever way you put it you can't blame the haters out there for not getting something that reminded them of the MKIV supra (cockpit, manual, aerotop, Toyota reliability). I've owned close to a dozen MKIV's in my lifetime - it's a fascinating/well put together car from every angle.

A lot of people out there buy Toyota's purely because they've owned a 90's Toyota and they by far have been some of the reliable, durable cars to have ever been made. So when you see Toyota using another company's items in their car you need to respect the hesitation/comments of people out there. I guess only time will tell whether this becomes adopted - I have no doubt it will based on what I've seen.

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We get it though, it gets old, it’s not going to change a damn thing in the end. It’s like bmw owners complaining about the new kidney grills every chance they get, I personally don’t like them, but I am not going to go on and on about it in every thread I post in. People at this point are just regurgitating the same thing over and over, it’s not like it’s anything new or something we haven’t heard before.

A11b0ost said:

That is one paragraph and a whole phrase of total bullshit. Thanks for coming out.

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Ah typical a90 hater. Feel free to use any facts or logic to show what I said was bullshit instead of speaking with your feelings. "I hate it, wahh" only gets you so far in life

Can't wait until this car actually comes out and this forum is filled with A90 enthusiasts who actually care about the car vs haters trying to get a rise.

zedsix said:

... I think a lot of hard work/development went into the MKIV from enthusiastic/talented team at Toyota that we'll probably NEVER see again.

So now we have Toyota release the MKV Supra, I'll let you/anyone else provide a spiel over why the MKV Supra is special in this day and age. To me the car seems to be more focused towards the new generation of drivers, people that like the bop sounds, easy/assisted driving and 50/50 weight distribution.

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This would be called jumping the gun. Saying as you say here would put some disrespect on the engineers and ppl involved in creating the new Supra. These are hardcore car guys that build cars like this. They know more than the average person, about what makes a sports car. Automotive engineers are pretty much Gods to us regular car guys. They bring us sports cars in the first place, they are the creators. It shouldn't be taken so lightly. Sports cars are a dying breed. This A90 may be special also, 20 years down the road. I'm pretty sure it will in its own right. Can't speak on that behalf when it just came out.

spamthechan said:

Can't wait until this car actually comes out and this forum is filled A90 enthusiasts who actually care about the car vs haters trying to get a rise.

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You, I like you.

To the point zedsix made about the Supra MKIV’s stock sequential twin turbo system it really is a marvel even today. Better with VVT-i if you have a later revision JDM cylinder head swapped on but with or without VVT-i it delivers great response. The available STU GT28 hybrid upgrades brings the capabilities of that system further into the modern era for an OEM turbo setup from the early 90’s.

It’s also reportedly a nightmare to diagnose when its parts get really, really old. Putting it all together was certainly complex between all the VSVs and hoses. I replaced everything new that I could on my car’s engine including the components and hoses in the sequential system. I hope to not have to service it for a long time to come.

Hitachi was involved in the development of its design and in the design of the RX-7 FD’s twin sequential system. Absolutely trick technology for its time, preceded only by the Porsche 959’s sequential system.

As good as it is though I feel there are less and less technical reasons to need a two stage sequential turbo system today when single twin scroll turbos, variable intake and exhaust valve timing and far more advanced ECU control are available.

Not to say a twin sequential gasoline engine can’t or won’t still be done by some manufacturer but outside of modern turbo-diesels it’s less necessary to implement when very similar results can be achieved today with a single twin scroll OEM setup.

Kaizen said:

This would be called jumping the gun. Saying as you say here would put some disrespect on the engineers and ppl involved in creating the new Supra. These are hardcore car guys that build cars like this. They know more than the average person, about what makes a sports car. Automotive engineers are pretty much Gods to us regular car guys. They bring us sports cars in the first place, they are the creators. It shouldn't be taken so lightly. Sports cars are a dying breed. This A90 may be special also, 20 years down the road. I'm pretty sure it will in its own right. Can't speak on that behalf when it just came out.

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What exactly is disrespectful? It's my opinion - same as you're entitled to yours. You clearly have no idea what you're taking about. How can you assume I am a regular car guy and label me as that? I could be Elon Musk for all you know. What you need to stop doing is using the excuse that these cars are a dying breed and that if they release anything then we should be happy because we'll never see another Supra again... it makes no sense and sounds stupid.

There's plenty of car manufacturers still developing fun/affordable sports cars in the same price range as the new Supra and some of them are also manual! you can educate/research this yourself on this topic. I almost feel as though there's a one sided jerk force on this forum focused on speaking highly of this car without actually being educated on the history of the Supra/owning one or understanding the car market - regardless, I don't think the MKV is a shit car, It's just not a what I would have expected to be labelled as a Supra.

zedsix said:

I don't think the MKV is a shit car, It's just not a what I would have expected to be labelled as a Supra.

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And when a customer owns a Supra for 20-25+ years, seeing the power from the 2jz and how it became a collectible, it makes sense why anything new is worth raising caution.

This is Toyota showing their perception of a sequel to the MKIV, which might have been perfect if said car was released in mid 2000's as a proper MKV. This is long overdue and Toyota is trying to appease both the new customers and the old customers after this huge gap of time. They could have done the manual, with insane HP and torque, but they need to appeal the general public.

By general public, I mean draw crowds into dealerships, before buying a corolla or a camry and anyone who feels pride to own a Supra, before providing a TRUE supra with a manual, think about that. The car's not done developing. Not by a longshot.

I love how that troll managed to bait many of us a90 guys. Also, A11b0ost has a very beautiful car there on his display picture. Funny, I thought a80 (not all) fanatics were the only extremely toxic individuals. World surely is full of the unexpected.

RyanGT3RS said:

We get it though, it gets old, it’s not going to change a damn thing in the end. It’s like bmw owners complaining about the new kidney grills every chance they get, I personally don’t like them, but I am not going to go on and on about it in every thread I post in. People at this point are just regurgitating the same thing over and over, it’s not like it’s anything new or something we haven’t heard before.

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And how is that any different than than MKIV owners hearing it's "all about drag races, high way rolls, and making 1000hp"?

zedsix said:

I don't think the MKV is a shit car, It's just not a what I would have expected to be labelled as a Supra.

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Agreed.

Modal170 said:

And when a customer owns a Supra for 20-25+ years, seeing the power from the 2jz and how it became a collectible, it makes sense why anything new is worth raising caution.

This is Toyota showing their perception of a sequel to the MKIV, which might have been perfect if said car was released in mid 2000's as a proper MKV. This is long overdue and Toyota is trying to appease both the new customers and the old customers after this huge gap of time. They could have done the manual, with insane HP and torque, but they need to appeal the general public.

By general public, I mean draw crowds into dealerships, before buying a corolla or a camry and anyone who feels pride to own a Supra, before providing a TRUE supra with a manual, think about that. The car's not done developing. Not by a longshot.

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And that is what is unfortunate, the car does not seem special/exclusive enough. You would think that a flagship sportscar from such a big car company would. However, it seems it's more aimed at the general public.

The whole argument of "it would have taken another 2-3 years and cost $100k" to develop an all Toyota product - do it right the first time, its a Supra, not a Celica. Where's this TRUE Supra with a manual?

Supra Turbo said:

And that is what is unfortunate, the car does not seem special/exclusive enough. You would think that a flagship sportscar from such a big car company would. However, it seems it's more aimed at the general public.

The whole argument of "it would have taken another 2-3 years and cost $100k" to develop an all Toyota product - do it right the first time, its a Supra, not a Celica. Where's this TRUE Supra with a manual?

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What do you mean by exclusive? Toyota made like 45k A80s worldwide. And according to A70TTR, Toyota was hoping to sell even more than that. While that pales in comparison with Camrys and Rav4s, thats still nowhere near 2000GT and LFA numbers.

Well last time they did that it was a major flop in most markets. Agree, still wanting a MT.

supraboi said:

What do you mean by exclusive? Toyota made like 45k A80s worldwide. And according to A70TTR, Toyota was hoping to sell even more than that. While that pales in comparison with Camrys and Rav4s, thats still nowhere near 2000GT and LFA numbers.

Well last time they did that it was a major flop in most markets. Agree, still wanting a MT.

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But only about ~11k for US market, out of which only ~7k were actual TT cars (auto and 6sp), out of which only ~4k were the most desirable TT 6 speed cars. While obviously still nowhere near 2000GT or LFA numbers, it seems that Toyota plans to sell a lot more MKV's. Flop or not by sales figures, the ownership exclusivity does decrease as the production numbers increase.

Taught we were passed all this, but I guess not... Smh

bogglo said:

Taught we were passed all this, but I guess not... Smh

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^Thought

The MKIV vs MKV discussions will never end.

Supra Turbo said:

And how is that any different than than MKIV owners hearing it's "all about drag races, high way rolls, and making 1000hp"?



Agreed.



And that is what is unfortunate, the car does not seem special/exclusive enough. You would think that a flagship sportscar from such a big car company would. However, it seems it's more aimed at the general public.

The whole argument of "it would have taken another 2-3 years and cost $100k" to develop an all Toyota product - do it right the first time, its a Supra, not a Celica. Where's this TRUE Supra with a manual?

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I would like to point out, if Toyota made a true 700hp Supra with hypercar killing abilities, there would be a 0% chance it would have a manual.