Analysis, Comments & Reactions from the Web about the new Supra

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Each and every reviewer so far: "It drives great".
Additionally most say: It feels faster than specs suggest. Price is right. Looks cool. Comfortable to drive on the street. Capable on track.

Most complaints are focused on two (understandable) issues: Lots of BMW parts, no manual transmission. If you can look past them, this will be one hell of a sports car. Reviewers such as Chris Harris can replay the "no japanese DNA" and "not a real supra" comments, while owners will be enjoying a great car for many years to come. Hopefully one day IĀ“ll be one of them, DNA be damned. Too old for that crap.
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Thankfully I never had an MKIV, and wasn't into the Fast and Furious Movies or Gran Turismo game. I like BMW cars. It bothers me not one iota that the car is a collaboration with BMW. I feel bad for those that it really does, because they will be missing out on what appears to be an excellent car, in a category with very very few choices.
 

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Each and every reviewer so far: "It drives great".
Additionally most say: It feels faster than specs suggest. Price is right. Looks cool. Comfortable to drive on the street. Capable on track.

Most complaints are focused on two (understandable) issues: Lots of BMW parts, no manual transmission. If you can look past them, this will be one hell of a sports car. Reviewers such as Chris Harris can replay the "no japanese DNA" and "not a real supra" comments, while owners will be enjoying a great car for many years to come. Hopefully one day IĀ“ll be one of them, DNA be damned. Too old for that crap.
It was either this or a limited production Supra that never got here
 

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Thankfully I never had an MKIV, and wasn't into the Fast and Furious Movies or Gran Turismo game. I like BMW cars. It bothers me not one iota that the car is a collaboration with BMW. I feel bad for those that it really does, because they will be missing out on what appears to be an excellent car, in a category with very very few choices.
I've had heaps of supras. I still have a Mk2, mk3 and mk4.

I too am pleased about the collaboration. BMW make some fantastic cars.

I hope to add an A90 to my collection too
 

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Each and every reviewer so far: "It drives great".
Additionally most say: It feels faster than specs suggest. Price is right. Looks cool. Comfortable to drive on the street. Capable on track.

Most complaints are focused on two (understandable) issues: Lots of BMW parts, no manual transmission. If you can look past them, this will be one hell of a sports car. Reviewers such as Chris Harris can replay the "no japanese DNA" and "not a real supra" comments, while owners will be enjoying a great car for many years to come. Hopefully one day IĀ“ll be one of them, DNA be damned. Too old for that crap.
I still don't understand what agenda Chris is trying to appease.

Yes, it is bmw, it is not going to be fixed and doesn't sound like he asked tada why they didn't do the job themselves. If Guff can ask these questions and get an answer, then so can Chris, but negativity sells.

Also doesn't mention how it drives or performs at all in his rant because muh japanese DNA is occupying his mind rent free
 

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Thankfully I never had an MKIV, and wasn't into the Fast and Furious Movies or Gran Turismo game. I like BMW cars. It bothers me not one iota that the car is a collaboration with BMW. I feel bad for those that it really does, because they will be missing out on what appears to be an excellent car, in a category with very very few choices.
IMO that is generally the standpoint many of those that have not experienced a MKIV, especially in its hey day. Nearly no one is arguing that the Zupra is not a great car, but is it a great Supra? Those who have experienced the glory that is TT 6 sp and BMW side, mostly seem to have a different opinion.

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IMO that is generally the standpoint many of those that have not experienced a MKIV, especially in its hey day. Nearly no one is arguing that the Zupra is not a great car, but is it a great Supra? Those who have experienced the glory that is TT 6 sp and BMW side, mostly seem to have a different opinion.

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Let me just politely leave this here;

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The first Supra (A40/A50) was based on the Toyota Celica but was stretched to accommodate the necessary inline-six engine. At that time, it was meant to be a competitor to the Datsun Z sports car. The second generation (A60) retained the Celica bones but visually was much sportier than both the car it replaced and its platform-mate. It got rid of the live rear axle in favor of an independent setup, becoming a handling car and drift car that could outrun much more expensive options.

The Supra hit its design and engineering stride in generation three (A70) when it completely separated from the Celica, as the smaller car went front-wheel drive. It also received its first turbo upgrade, bringing horsepower to a respectable 230. Though it shrunk a few inches, it brought a more grand touring feel than previous models. In 1993, the fourth generation (A80) debuted as a tech-heavy, high-performance vehicle with a big wing and an optional twin-turbo I6. Though it was the best looking (to me), sales were weaker than expected. Its best year was 1994, when 3,405 new Supras found their way home. In 1998, Toyota stopped selling it in the United States.

Those loyalists, who want to know if the new Supra is a ā€œrealā€ Supra, need to be more specific.
 

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Let me just politely leave this here;
It's pretty simple... Toyota built product with limited involvement by other manufacturers, proven long-term Toyota reliability, punching way above its weight (ie. 911 turbo competitor, not Cayman).
 

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It's pretty simple... Toyota built product with limited involvement by other manufacturers, proven long-term Toyota reliability, punching way above its weight (ie. 911 turbo competitor, not Cayman).
Granted a good and solid argument; however, in the 90's there was no Cayman and the Supra and Porsche would have been close in regards to price point.
Fast forward to 2019, we have the Cayman S and a 911 ($72,510 and $94,310 respectively) and both cars are within 20HP of one another (350 and 370 respectively). Plus, in PDK form, both cars put down a 0-60 of 4.2 seconds. Mind you, adaptive suspension and Porsche Torque Vectoring are not included in these prices and stack on another 5k on the price. Meanwhile, the Supra comes in with a 0-60 of 4.1 and both adaptive suspension and locking differential come standard.
In other words, the MKV is a solid competitor of both a Cayman S and 911 for substantially less. So, nothing has really changed in regards to the Supra being a 911 competitor. The only thing that has changed is th fact that a Cayman S now exists and has been thrown into the mix as well.
 

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Granted a good and solid argument; however, in the 90's there was no Cayman and the Supra and Porsche would have been close in regards to price point.
Fast forward to 2019, we have the Cayman S and a 911 ($72,510 and $94,310 respectively) and both cars are within 20HP of one another (350 and 370 respectively). Plus, in PDK form, both cars put down a 0-60 of 4.2 seconds. Mind you, adaptive suspension and Porsche Torque Vectoring are not included in these prices and stack on another 5k on the price. Meanwhile, the Supra comes in with a 0-60 of 4.1 and both adaptive suspension and locking differential come standard.
In other words, the MKV is a solid competitor of both a Cayman S and 911 for substantially less. So, nothing has really changed in regards to the Supra being a 911 competitor. The only thing that has changed is th fact that a Cayman S now exists and has been thrown into the mix as well.
You're comparing to base 911, not 911 turbo.

http://porschecarshistory.com/porsc...-vs-toyota-supra-turbo-road-track-mag-081993/
 

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Granted a good and solid argument; however, in the 90's there was no Cayman and the Supra and Porsche would have been close in regards to price point.
Fast forward to 2019, we have the Cayman S and a 911 ($72,510 and $94,310 respectively) and both cars are within 20HP of one another (350 and 370 respectively). Plus, in PDK form, both cars put down a 0-60 of 4.2 seconds. Mind you, adaptive suspension and Porsche Torque Vectoring are not included in these prices and stack on another 5k on the price. Meanwhile, the Supra comes in with a 0-60 of 4.1 and both adaptive suspension and locking differential come standard.
In other words, the MKV is a solid competitor of both a Cayman S and 911 for substantially less. So, nothing has really changed in regards to the Supra being a 911 competitor. The only thing that has changed is th fact that a Cayman S now exists and has been thrown into the mix as well.
The MKV is only being benchmarked with the Cayman because that's the card that they were dealt; a 2 seater Z4 platform to work off of. The MKIV was going up against the big dogs, 300ZX TT, Acura NSX NA, 911 turbo (964 and 993), Corvette C4 ZR-1, Skyline GTR, RX-7 TT and E36 M3.
 

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It's pretty simple... Toyota built product with limited involvement by other manufacturers, proven long-term Toyota reliability, punching way above its weight (ie. 911 turbo competitor, not Cayman).
Of course I am. The 911 Turbo is a $180k car...gotta remember that Porsche has been committed to producing sports cars while Toyota was dormant for 21 years lol.
There's a certain degree of how realistic we need to be in regards to the MKV. It competes well with cars in price segments 40k higher than itself. The playing field has changed since the 90s and sure, Akio and Tada San could have made a $140k in house Supra, but that would have just left many of us in a seat where we'd simply brag about its existence and complain about its price rather than sit in the driver seat, enjoy it, and tune it to our liking.
 

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Though the MKV doesn't quite reach the numbers of a benchmarked 718 S , I think it's still an achievement that it offers similar performance levels while being around 25k less when similarly equipped, e.g. sports chrono, PDK, PASM.
 

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It's pretty simple... Toyota built product with limited involvement by other manufacturers, proven long-term Toyota reliability, punching way above its weight (ie. 911 turbo competitor, not Cayman).
I still think itā€™s hilarious how you ā€œSupraā€ enthusiasts act like the MKIV is the only one. Donā€™t forget to hate the other 3 generations!
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