Analysis, Comments & Reactions from the Web about the new Supra

supraboi said:

I think you are forgetting how the rising Yen & exchange rate played a factor into the MK4's pricing. It was cheaper in Japan, hence why Toyota sold like 3X as much of them overseas vs the US market. I don't think it was Toyota's plan to just sell so little of them in one of the largest car markets.

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I'm not forgetting this, but that point is irrelevant since it also affected the NSX pricing of the time. This is also evident in the LHD vs RHD values of the A80s in the present day..

Supra Turbo said:

A halo car such as a Supra was not "cheap or affordable to most" - that's what made it a low volume production / selling vehicle. For cheap and performance, there's a Mustang GT with 460hp. A Supra should be on a whole other level or three above that.

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It is still just as fast as the mustang GT (according to Car and Driver's test for both cars) and the mustang will need several suspension packages to make the pony car handle like a sports car thus bringing the total to ~$50k. Also, the Supra appears to have a nicer interior (I have yet to see the supra in person to confirm but the mustang is your typical American-plastic-everywhere car.) And this is without the Supra's mid life cycle power increase that is rumored.

Supra Turbo said:

For reference, in '94 my TT 6sp was darn near $75k accounting for inflation. It "only" made 320hp, but that was around the same ball-park as the GT-R and NSX of the same year, if not more. Now its down 230hp+ compared to both of these modern examples, 565hp and 573hp respectively.

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This isn't a valid comparison. You're comparing cars with similar price and HP when talking about 90s cars, but just HP when talking about today's cars. The NSX and GTR do have more power but are significantly more expensive

justbake said:

It is still just as fast as the mustang GT (according to Car and Driver's test for both cars) and the mustang will need several suspension packages to make the pony car handle like a sports car thus bringing the total to ~$50k. Also, the Supra appears to have a nicer interior (I have yet to see the supra in person to confirm but the mustang is your typical American-plastic-everywhere car.) And this is without the Supra's mid life cycle power increase that is rumored.

This isn't a valid comparison. You're comparing cars with similar price and HP when talking about 90s cars, but just HP when talking about today's cars. The NSX and GTR do have more power but are significantly more expensive

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My point exactly, the fact that a Mustang GT is even compared to a Supra is a shame. It should exceed it in every category, including power.

Per my earlier comment, a Supra is not supposed to be cheap. It's a halo car - bump the performance to supercar levels, increase the in-house R&D and price it in the $80k-$100k mark.

Supra Turbo said:

My point exactly, the fact that a Mustang GT is even compared to a Supra is a shame. It should exceed it in every category, including power.

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I guess I don't understand this emotional response. Why assign personal value to feel shame when comparing material processions to others, especially one's that you don't own?

Supra Turbo said:

Per my earlier comment, a Supra is not supposed to be cheap. It's a halo car - bump the performance to supercar levels, increase the in-house R&D and price it in the $80k-$100k mark.

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But why? There are so many cars with 500+ hp now and it is pointless dick measuring competition. Do you have the biggest/best computer in your home or do you have a computer that you like and fits your needs/wants? Do you have the biggest/best refrigerator in your home or do you have a refrigerator that you like and fits your needs/wants?

There are not many cars on the market at the moment with more than 500hp AND a manual transmission.

I found those:
Corvette
Camaro
Alfa giulia
Challenger
Porsche 911
Mustang

That's it.

So you have to buy a manual car and build the engine to deliver the power you want.

Rotaryrunner said:

There are not many cars on the market at the moment with more than 500hp AND a manual transmission.

I found those:
Corvette
Camaro
Alfa giulia
Challenger
Porsche 911
Mustang

That's it.

So you have to buy a manual car and build the engine to deliver the power you want.

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And the only one in that list that is available in America and not American is the 911. Perhaps this shows there isn't a viable market for high HP manual cars with the exception of performance versions of mass produced muscle/pony cars

Or it's a niche that could be explored?

Viselord said:

Or it's a niche that could be explored?

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The problem is that car 'enthusiasts' don't but them when they are new. Take the Chevy SS for example

justbake said:

I guess I don't understand this emotional response. Why assign personal value to feel shame when comparing material processions to others, especially one's that you don't own?

But why? There are so many cars with 500+ hp now and it is pointless dick measuring competition. Do you have the biggest/best computer in your home or do you have a computer that you like and fits your needs/wants? Do you have the biggest/best refrigerator in your home or do you have a refrigerator that you like and fits your needs/wants?

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Because one can experience an emotional attachment to a vehicle, especially when its something unique. This especially applies to sports cars that are meant to excite. A halo car is supposed to do that ten fold, from nearly every aspect.

Why do people always strive for greatness over mediocrity? If your job is measuring dicks, then perhaps so. To me, its important that when I buy something, it is the best my money could buy. Including biggest/best computers and refrigerators that also fit my needs and wants.

So basically you're asking Toyota to build the LFA, again.....

Matador said:

So basically you're asking Toyota to build the LFA, again.....

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No, I'm asking Toyota to build he Supra, again.....

Supra Turbo said:

No, I'm asking Toyota to build a mk4, again.....

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Fixed that for you....

but, carry on. Your POV is of course yours.

Matador said:

Fixed that for you....

but, carry on. Your POV is of course yours.

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Thanks, but I figured that was pretty obvious from my earlier comments....

Supra Turbo said:

Because one can experience an emotional attachment to a vehicle, especially when its something unique. This especially applies to sports cars that are meant to excite. A halo car is supposed to do that ten fold, from nearly every aspect.

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Look at every single review of the car and tell me the driver's aren't excited. That is emotion. Ignore the numbers on the back of the metaphorical baseball card and look at the results instead. The GTR and NSX may have the better stats but that doesn't make them exciting

Supra Turbo said:

Why do people always strive for greatness over mediocrity? If your job is measuring dicks, then perhaps so. To me, its important that when I buy something, it is the best my money could buy. Including biggest/best computers and refrigerators that also fit my needs and wants.

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The problem here is that you first say it needs to be the best of the best, then you say it has to have the coefficient of your subjective criteria and budget. Everyone wants the best of the best until it is time to pay the bill, this is why the MK4 did not sell well even though it was an amazing car. This might not be the car for you, but that doesn't mean it isn't a Supra

Supra Turbo said:

A halo car such as a Supra was not "cheap or affordable to most" - that's what made it a low volume production / selling vehicle. For cheap and performance, there's a Mustang GT with 460hp. A Supra should be on a whole other level or three above that.

For reference, in '94 my TT 6sp was darn near $75k accounting for inflation. It "only" made 320hp, but that was around the same ball-park as the GT-R and NSX of the same year, if not more. Now its down 230hp+ compared to both of these modern examples, 565hp and 573hp respectively.

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12,214 GT-Rs have been sold since they came to the US market (538 last year). If you cant get a car to the masses (and $50k is still a stretch for the vast majority of the country), it's performance is irrelevant to 95% of the population. A handful of people care about the niche you want and it was never a segment the Supra filled. When people can grab a 2019 Mustang GT with the 10spd for $35k and run 11s stock, there isn't much incentive to pay $50k for a car that wont. The Supra community needs to bring it back to cult status and I think the platform is there to do it. I also think it teeters on the edge of pricing itself right out of the market (and country) again though. The handling, potential, and sub $60k price point is the only thing that will keep this car alive in the US.