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Look at every single review of the car and tell me the driver's aren't excited. That is emotion. Ignore the numbers on the back of the metaphorical baseball card and look at the results instead. The GTR and NSX may have the better stats but that doesn't make them exciting

The problem here is that you first say it needs to be the best of the best, then you say it has to have the coefficient of your subjective criteria and budget. Everyone wants the best of the best until it is time to pay the bill, this is why the MK4 did not sell well even though it was an amazing car. This might not be the car for you, but that doesn't mean it isn't a Supra
This still doesn't address the in-house development, rarity, etc. Not to mention a lot of those reviewers were compensated for travel by Toyota so I'll take everything they say with a grain of salt.

I don't see a problem here. I've specifically stated "best for my money and needs/wants", this includes the purchase price that I pay. I'm all for the car not selling well, only adds to the rarity factor after its discontinued.
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12,214 GT-Rs have been sold since they came to the US market (538 last year). If you cant get a car to the masses (and $50k is still a stretch for the vast majority of the country), it's performance is irrelevant 95% of the population. A handful of people care about the niche you want and it was never a segment the Supra filled. When people can grab a 2019 Mustang GT with the 10spd for $35k and run 11s stock, there isn't much incentive to pay $50k for a car that wont. The Supra community needs to bring it back to cult status and I think the platform is there to do it. I think it teeters on the edge or pricing itself right out of the market (and country) again though. The handling, potential, and sub $60k price point is the only thing that will keep this car alive in the US.
Again... why are we talking about the masses here. Read my previous posts, its a Supra not Celica or a Mustang. It would be a great car if it was a Celica. As a Supra though it shouldn't cater to the 95% of the population, thus my statement for shame earlier. Is it a niche market, absolutely... that's where the rarity and increased performance come in to play.
 

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Again... why are we talking about the masses here. Read my previous posts, its a Supra not Celica or a Mustang. It would be a great car if it was a Celica. It shouldn't cater to the 95% of the population. Is it a niche market, absolutely... that's where the rarity and increased performance come in to play.
That's where your perception of the car is today, it was never intended to be that way by Toyota and that is why it's gone.
 

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12,214 GT-Rs have been sold since they came to the US market (538 last year). If you cant get a car to the masses (and $50k is still a stretch for the vast majority of the country), it's performance is irrelevant 95% of the population. A handful of people care about the niche you want and it was never a segment the Supra filled. When people can grab a 2019 Mustang GT with the 10spd for $35k and run 11s stock, there isn't much incentive to pay $50k for a car that wont. The Supra community needs to bring it back to cult status and I think the platform is there to do it. I think it teeters on the edge or pricing itself right out of the market (and country) again though. The handling, potential, and sub $60k price point is the only thing that will keep this car alive in the US.
To add to your statement, that $35k mustang needs another $10k in options to be even remotely comparable to the Supra as an all around car with the same acceleration and .2s quicker at 12.1s in quarter mile (according to C&D's tests.) We obviously don't have ring times for the A90 yet but I doubt it underperforms the pony car.

The Supra shines well at its price point when looking at it's results, especially when you look at the Q60RS only other Japanese coupe in that price range

This still doesn't address the in-house development, rarity, etc. Not to mention a lot of those reviewers were compensated for travel by Toyota so I'll take everything they say with a grain of salt.

I don't see a problem here. I've specifically stated "best for my money and needs/wants", this includes the purchase price that I pay. I'm all for the car not selling well, only adds to the rarity factor after its discontinued.
Those are subjective qualities.

Exactly, it again is another heap of subjective arguments that don't speak for all car buyers.
 

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It's gone because too many people are ok with mediocrity.
It's exclusivity was an unintended mistake on Toyota's part. Today, the Supra's performance is spot on for its price point and Toyota sloughed off a large part of the financial risk as well. It's a fantastic recipe for bringing the Supra back to "halo" performance levels because the people who made it that way, will be able to do it again. If your intentions are to own a rare car, Toyota isn't the manufacturer you should be looking at to make it happen (they want the masses to have an enjoyable car).

Some people say the exchange rate was partly to blame but the US dollar was stronger than the Yen (exceptions being 94 and 95); by 97 the exchange rate in the US was outstanding.
 

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My point exactly, the fact that a Mustang GT is even compared to a Supra is a shame. It should exceed it in every category, including power.

Per my earlier comment, a Supra is not supposed to be cheap. It's a halo car - bump the performance to supercar levels, increase the in-house R&D and price it in the $80k-$100k mark.
The terminator cobra always matched the Supra for speed, and the GT350R now beats some of the best cars in the world. Again, it has been over 20 years since we last saw a Supra. The world is not the same place.
 

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The terminator cobra always matched the Supra for speed, and the GT350R now beats some of the best cars in the world. Again, it has been over 20 years since we last saw a Supra. The world is not the same place.
Terminator was also five years newer than the Supra than the outgoing Supra and had what turned out to be one of the stoutest V8s ever made. I'm still amazed at what the mod motors are doing.

I firmly believe the new chassis and engine are going to deliver big time in the hands of the after-market.
 

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It's exclusivity was an unintended mistake on Toyota's part. Today, the Supra's performance is spot on for its price point and Toyota sloughed off a large part of the financial risk as well. It's a fantastic recipe for bringing the Supra back to "halo" performance levels because the people who made it that way, will be able to do it again. If your intentions are to own a rare car, Toyota isn't the manufacturer you should be looking at to make it happen (they want the masses to have an enjoyable car).
QFT.

The terminator cobra always matched the Supra for speed, and the GT350R now beats some of the best cars in the world. Again, it has been over 20 years since we last saw a Supra. The world is not the same place.
Correct on the Terminator Cobra, another great example. So what does the modern equivalent 2020 GT350 and GT500 make power wise? Oh yeah.. 526hp and 700hp respectively.
 

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QFT.



Correct on the Terminator Cobra, another great example. So what does the modern equivalent 2020 GT350 and GT500 make power wise? Oh yeah.. 526hp and 700hp respectively.
And which car did the Supra beat 0-60 and matched in the quarter? A GT350.
 

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Never said it did. Speaking solely from personal experience and desires.
It appears you have the money to buy a rare and expensive car that caters to privileged tastes, but the majority do not. I applaud Toyota for "breaking the wheel" a bit in making a high performance car that is attainable. The rich have enough choice in niche and unattainable items - we don't need another car manufacturer reproducing this privilege.
 

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It appears you have the money to buy a rare and expensive car that caters to privileged tastes, but the majority do not. I applaud Toyota for "breaking the wheel" a bit in making a high performance car that is attainable. The rich have enough choice in niche and unattainable items - we don't need another car manufacturer reproducing this privilege.
The problem is not that Toyota made a high performance car that is attainable for the masses, but what it lacks with the name / performance expectations set forth by the A80.
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