Analysis, Comments & Reactions from the Web about the new Supra

Supra Turbo said:

The problem is not that Toyota made a high performance car that is attainable for the masses, but what it lacks with the name / performance expectations set forth by the A80.

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Australian of The North said:

All the controversy just goes to show what the supra name means. Toyota was never going to be able to meet the impossible expectations for a new supra, so I do feel sympathetic for them when they are being so heavily laden with hate on the new car. I follow most of the official Toyota's on IG, twitter and FB, and anything about the supra is 90% negative comments and defensive replies from Toyota. Despite this, Toyota has hyped the hell out of this thing, influencing the reviews all over the place, and overtly defending all the cars problems with very poor explanations, just to try and convince everyone this thing is fantastic. I dont think they have succeeded. Not because its a bad car, its genuinely a good car ..... but its definitely not a great car... its in the middle, its entry level,... Its mediocre in the world of performance cars.... That's the problem.

The new 911 GT2 and GT3 are great cars. The GTR is great. The R8 is great. Just about anything from Ferrari Mclaren or Lamborghini is great. Thats what people expect of the Supra name - greatness ... and the simple fact is, the new supra isn't. Sure, Its good, but its just another entry level 2 door sports car, that's got nothing particularly exciting to shout about. Its inferior next to the great cars, and looses to them all day long, no matter what modification you do to it - the gap to the great cars is simply too big. If you had buckets of money, you want the GT2/3, 488 pista, Hurrican performate, the 720s, the R8 or GTR and so on and so on ... you wont even consider the new supra. Its just not good enough to be on the radar, which is in contradiction for the expectations of the supra badge... queue the internet hate - and just because the new supra its vastly cheaper, that doesn't make its performance more respectable, its still a slow, imprecise boat anchor car next to the great cars..... and that's the core problem with the MkV, Its designed to only be good. Nothing more.

You get what you pay for, and in today's day and age, Just as the Porsche boxter is a poor mans 911, the new supra is the same thing to a variety of better cars. In fact, if you you think about it, in 1993, when the MKIV was right up there at the top of the performance tree, the Miata was considered the cheap and cheerful little hairdresser cars of the day. That's where the new supra fits now. Its like an uprated Miata. A great little sports car ..... But its no top level performance car.

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Australian of The North said:

I dont think they have succeeded. Not because its a bad car, its genuinely a good car ..... but its definitely not a great car... its in the middle, its entry level,... Its mediocre in the world of performance cars.... That's the problem.

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dgh said:

...I applaud Toyota for "breaking the wheel" a bit in making a high performance car that is attainable. The rich have enough choice in niche and unattainable items - we don't need another car manufacturer reproducing this privilege.

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madweazl said:

Apparently low 12s, sub 4s 0-60, and 1.07gs on the skid pad are common place outside of the [deprived] "bubble" I live in.

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Supra Turbo said:

I'm not forgetting this, but that point is irrelevant since it also affected the NSX pricing of the time. This is also evident in the LHD vs RHD values of the A80s in the present day..

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JDMMA70 said:

Toyota wanted to sell 20,000 in in the first year. That didn't work out for them though.

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Kaizen said:

I see what you did there #Gameofthrones

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supraboi said:

What does the NSX have to do with anything? There was like a $30k price gap between the two. That's nice that LHD Supras go for a little more, again, what does that have to do with Toyota actually wanting to sell more during that time period?

Original 1993 MSRP
NSX: $69,500
Turbo Supra: $39,900

Side rant: But since we're talking about the NSX, Honda had to discount them with a $20k price cut. That car is a total sales flop, and you guys want Toyota to do the same? I'm sure glad y'all aren't CEOs of any major companies.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/16/acura-nsx-20000-discount/



Wow, thats a lot. No wonder why Toyota pull the plug on the "A90" in 97.

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madweazl said:

Apparently low 12s, sub 4s 0-60, and 1.07gs on the skid pad are common place outside of the [deprived] "bubble" I live in.

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dgh said:

When the A80 came out it was about on or maybe slight above par with Corvette (for a couple of years), RX7, porche and a few others. 2019, it is about at par with Porche, there is no RX7 or other Japanese car in the same niche, and just slightly below a Corvette. So, it hasn't drifted very far at all from its original performance position relative to its competition.

I think it is the reputation/performance expectations that it achieved through tuners that many people are comparing it too. Toyota should not be held accountable for producing a car that meets those expectations, pushing it out of its original market position.

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Supra Turbo said:

The A80 made 20hp more than Corvette did in '93. The A90 makes 125hp less than Corvette in 2019. It was also compared to a 964 turbo and even Ferrari 512TR, not simply a Cayman. The A80 was also on par with GT-R horsepower, now its down by 230+. So yes, I'd say it hasn't drifted very far from its original performance relative to competition.

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supraboi said:

What does the NSX have to do with anything? There was like a $30k price gap between the two. That's nice that LHD Supras go for a little more, again, what does that have to do with Toyota actually wanting to sell more during that time period?

Original 1993 MSRP
NSX: $69,500
Turbo Supra: $39,900

Side rant: But since we're talking about the NSX, Honda had to discount them with a $20k price cut. That car is a total sales flop, and you guys want Toyota to do the same? I'm sure glad y'all aren't CEOs of any major companies.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/16/acura-nsx-20000-discount/

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