Car & Driver Dyno Results: The 2020 Toyota Supra Makes More Power Than Toyota Claims

Because drift car, aka AE86.

Back on topic, Car and Driver finally added the actual dyno graph to their page...

I made a comment elsewhere awhile back on theorizing if the weaker top end speed perf of the car was due to the torque curve or bad aero (vents). I figured the 8spd would be tuned to keep this sucker in that meat of the power band there, but looking at some acceleration videos that have been posted focused on the tach, it does seem to be ripping to redline a lot with the stock tuning so I'm gonna say its likely the curve. Short shift this guy when going down the drags for fastest times!

It's the smaller turbo(s)... My VR30 (Q50RS) falls on its face up top as well unfortunately.

Everything is give and take.

The plateau from 4700 up certainly seems to indicate some healthy gains to be made.

A70TTR said:

It's the smaller turbo(s)... My VR30 (Q50RS) falls on its face up top as well unfortunately.

Everything is give and take.

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Any details to share on the boost curve? How much boost, does it taper down through the rev range or hold consistent?

Yeah when you want those smaller turbos for quicker spool up and instant torque, you're going to lose out on top end unfortunately.

DesmoSD said:

So how come the 155hp ND Miata came equipped with Potenza S001's. Was it a contract related issue as to why Subaru/Toyota chose Supremacy HP's as their OEM tire?

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I'm glad you bring that up because I think that's one of the Miata's issues! The Bridgestones are too sticky for that car and it really exacerbates how underdamped the Miatas are from the factory. That much mechanical grip is wholly unnecessary for the car in its stock form and only makes the roll that much more annoying. Don't get me wrong, Miatas are still damn good fun, as is an 86 on a Pilot Super Sport, but I think the 86 is more fun because its much easier to slide around on the Primacy.

Take for example the TRD 86, it comes with Michelin Pilot 4S. It is still awesome to drive, but on track I found myself having to carry more speed and having to more aggressively weight transfer in order to get it to slide. When I jumped into a standard 86, it was much easier to get it unstuck, and in the end, I found myself driving the base car more than the TRD. If I wanted to just grip drive, the TRD car was the way to go, but I don't want to just grip drive, I want to drive like a bit of a yob and get the ass end out and laugh a little. My daily driver BRZ is on a sticky 255 square setup, and is set up entirely for grip, and I found myself having more fun beating on that base 86 in Virginia than I usually do with my BRZ at home. On the flipside, I enjoy track days and my BRZ is set up for that purpose, but I assure you that track enthusiasts are the minority among 86 owners.

Haha, a drag car is whole different discussion. What you mentioned is my point. Now Toyota finally learned the German way by having a entry level performance car with good power, good wheels, good tires, good suspension all in a factory car, a good platform. Now if you want a race version, there's a GT option. Toyota's idea of performance was usually cosmetic.

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Yeah, this I def agree with. Toyota def flops big time when it comes to performance upgrades on models. As far as whether or not the Supra gets the full Porsche treatment remains to be seen, but I certainly hope that's the case.

I still don't think this has really any relation to Tada-San's push for aftermarket development. That push is because he understands that this car's legacy is hugely dependent on that. If this car isn't moddable then it's bound to be forgotten. Even if Toyota makes a couple of hot versions here and there, the aftermarket is what's going to keep this car in people's consciences well after Toyota and the rest of the world has stopped making pure-ICE vehicles, focused on autonomy, etc.

F1 Silver Arrows said:

@DesmoSD I've been wanting to quote all of your recent few posts but they're over a span of a few pages. Let me just say this. I too share the exact same sentiments. Except for the very small fact that Japanese "mostly" rely on the aftermarket. They too like the Germans want it to be good stock out of the gate. The only issue is that people have been whining about tuning because of the MkIV. Toyota knows how many tuners and just people in general want a badass Japanese tuner car. They've simply said that "Hey, y'all can tune the car too. Knock yourselves out. We've done some special things to the car for you guys."

This Toyota is nipping on the heels of the GTS and the 981 GT4 and it's the base model too. I'm a Porsche guy as well (To be honest I am a true automotive enthusiast in such that I am a total racing nut and love and appreciate all cars, or anything on four wheels, or simply wheels, steering wheels too? LOL. You get what I mean.) so I know exactly what you're talking about. Porsche is just killing it nowadays but fucked up with the Cayman/Boxster this time around. That 4-cylinder is trash and actually thirstier than the six.

To the guy who mention the Porsche tax. That's true. You also have to pay a stupid amount for some features as well. However I have to disagree when it comes to reliability. Porsche is one of the most (if not THE MOST) reliable German car manufacturer in the world. I rarely hear problems from modern Porsches.

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This goes way back before the MKIV and even why HKS was formed (thank goodness for this). Shoot, you can even go back to WWII and look at each country's fighter aircrafts (U.S, Japan, Germany and the British) and how each aircraft had their own distinctive build similar to cars of today. I'm not bashing Japanese cars, that's just how it was with Japanese cars. HKS was formed in 1973, meanwhile Porsche already had a 2.8L RSR in 1973.

Another case in point look at BMW's M division, Alpina's, MB's AMG, Porsche's GT's. Then look at the Japanese are with their NISMO, STI, TRD divisions. In factory form, there are vastly different.

In October 1973, two talented and spirited young engineers had a vision; to design and build high performance engines and components that major OE manufacturers could not or would not produce.

HKS pioneered the Japanese aftermarket performance industry by delivering a host of exciting new products, including the first commercially available electronic turbo timer and boost controller. Other early products included piggy-back fuel computers and sophisticated fuel management tools. Clearly HKS was Driving Performance trends for Japanese vehicles

Porsche, specifically the 911 models have all gone through their own set of growing pains throughout the generations; even up until the 991 but that's a small scale compared to the rest of happy owners. They've gotten better and it's probably due to Toyota's help back in the '92.

Anyone know which turbo it's using?

Looking at the shape of that torque curve, I'd have to say a ct26

it's a borgie

madweazl said:

Anyone know which turbo it's using?

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That's the real question, what turbo is it using? What are the sizes of the compressor and the turbine?

kona61 said:

I see. I just don't think about it, if it happens, it happens. Who rebuilt it?

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BBi Autosport in Huntington Beach

madweazl said:

Anyone know which turbo it's using?

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Borg Warner I believe. Not sure though