2020 Supra (A90) Reviews Compilation!

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Wow that's some overly defensive rants going on in here over Chris Harris's review. Its hard to not to see it as serious bias in all the attacks being made against him.

Instead, in my opinion only, here is what I believe is going on:
1 - It starts when Toyota take a Z4, put it in drag, and called it a supra/Zupr4 to cash in on the name, and to maximise profit margins. Believe it or, not , this i can understand - its business, and has been done countless times with various manufactures and models.
2 - When everyone complains to hell and back about the concerns & problems, Toyota launch a brilliant PR marketing campaign to wash over the flaws with the car. They use distraction (such as talking about dual bonnet hatches, panel pressing, dramatic styled descriptions, separated design stages, etc), social media promoters, as well as quid pro quo to gain positive reviews. Tada isnt a car-building godfather. He's a marketing spin master, trying to skirt around and white wash all the problems with convenient afterthought false excuses, like "Toyota had to partner with BMW, its today's reality to build a sports car or and I6 engine", which is total crap, as proven by other manufacturers who are doing just that in both sports cars and I6's... - this lying sux, but again, positive excuses are business 101, its how they sell cars.
3 - Toyota provide all expense's paid, multi day trips for journalists, into controlled locations, with controlled cars for them to do reviews. They took a bunch of pre-production mkv supras, pumped them up a more than factory, and used these for the journo's to review in their controlled locations, & track tests, including dyno runs ... again as do most manufacturers, - its just business...
5 - Amongst all this, they give free cars out to selected Toyota friendly race teams to get the car in the media, again, making sure its in a positive light. They also took to to Instagram, Facebook, twitter, websites etc, etc, and have people promote the car and ensure a positive spin campaign runs hard, despite the tidal wave of people slamming the car as a disappointment. Toyota also starts to play down its competition, including its predecessor, making up outright lies about he MKIV to paint the new supra in a positive light. Its full swing "pump p the new supra" campaign.
6 - The young, the dumb, and the impressionable take the bait, and put on rose tinted fanboy goggles. Toyota continues he PR assault by claiming to have sold all initial orders, but that's very unlikely to be true, as seen with other manufactures, its a common false claim using the old "Its sold out, you cant have it" campaign. Toyota's original talk of selective "we only want it to go to enthusiasts" turned out to be total hors#t, as demonstrated by where supra number 1 went, and the non-vetting FCFS deposit system.
7 - Those Paid Promoters, and Fanboys leap to the MKV defence by making wild claims which just don't work outside of their delusions. Things like talking about the Auto box being a better choice to anything else, such as saying that the vents can simply be unplugged, that the same performance specs as the A80 is acceptable, that the car is actually 70hp higher than advertised, that its going to round the nurburgring in sub 7:40 (while Toyota refuses to do a lap), and then promoting that as a good thing whilst its old rival's are well below sub 7.
8 - Toyota continue to make baseless teases with talk of simplistic modification ability, then avoid questions about why they don't just put on the missing parts themselves, whilst promoting future upgraded versions which will likely never come apart from very small limited run numbers years from now. "manual was tested", "GRMN is likely" .. its a classic carrot and stick PR spin.
9 - A handful of reviewers like Chris Harris dissent and say what clearly the majority of the auto world are thinking about the new A90. That its a good car, but its not a great car, and its disappointing for the badge. Some openly expose the Toyota PR Spin cycle machine.
10 - Every MkV fanboy s#@$%'s a brick and goes into meltdown because its not the glowing paid promotion they demand and expect to hear everywhere. (How dare anyone not like the MkV?? - it has no problems!!). Toyota themselves hit back by finding promoters, fanboys and those who can be controlled or manipulated to do the defence with rants or rubbish claims. Its also not hard to find Instagram, Facebook, forum websites, or other threads which reek of a quid-pro-pro relationship with Toyota or related party and push those old "manual is coming", "GRMN version coming", etc etc.


Here is a thought.
People like Chris Harris or Doug Demuro are right, and people simply cant simply bear to hear the truthful reality.
Its a good car. Its just not a great car, its got a lot of problems, and its not truly a supra - it just a Z4 with a roof. Its a cash in on the supra name. Despite this, personally I think its will do very well in the market. Toyota has really run a well oiled and prepared PR marketing campaign.

There is so much oversimplification and spin in your diatribe I won't even bother countering any specific point. But here's an idea. There is no "right" or "wrong" or reality. You are biased in a certain way as much as those you accuse of bias. Everyone's perspective is influenced by their emotions. Some are able to overlook the BMW influence bc they want to love the Supra, some don't care who makes the car or actually like that its a collaboration with BMW (myself) and others cannot get past the BMW contribution (apparently, like yourself). These and various other perspectives all create "realities" to those who percieve them.

What is the truth though is $55,000 USD. 3.8 seconds to 60mph. 12.3 second qtr mile. This is as real at least as other similar quantified performance times by the same journal that also tested cars provided by manufacturers.

To me this reality, plus the aesthetics of the car, are all I need to get behind the new Supra. Sorry for you that you can't.
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The difference is that what you wrote here is all that needs to be said. No one here likes the collab, but people here has moved passed that and want to hear about the actual car.
Why wouldn't anyone here like the collaboration between Toyota and BMW? BMW makes the best inline 6's in the world. Pretty sure everyone here who doesn't like the collab would bitch and moan on how the car would've cost over $100,000 if Toyota designed their own inline 6 for it. Oh and I doubt the car would have been released by now as well if they did that. Also I would much rather take the BMW interior, switch gear, idrive controller and UI on the nav system over Toyota's any day of the week.

For example, information on things like "interior quality on par with what you see in an Avalon" is way more beneficial than "the interior has many BMW located throughout the cabin
Can't follow what you are saying here. Is someone actually saying an Avalon interior is better than a BMW?
 

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Wow that's some overly defensive rants going on in here over Chris Harris's review. Its hard to not to see it as serious bias in all the attacks being made against him.

Instead, in my opinion only, here is what I believe is going on:
1 - It starts when Toyota take a Z4, put it in drag, and called it a supra/Zupr4 to cash in on the name, and to maximise profit margins. Believe it or, not , this i can understand - its business, and has been done countless times with various manufactures and models.
2 - When everyone complains to hell and back about the concerns & problems, Toyota launch a brilliant PR marketing campaign to wash over the flaws with the car. They use distraction (such as talking about dual bonnet hatches, panel pressing, dramatic styled descriptions, separated design stages, etc), social media promoters, as well as quid pro quo to gain positive reviews. Tada isnt a car-building godfather. He's a marketing spin master, trying to skirt around and white wash all the problems with convenient afterthought false excuses, like "Toyota had to partner with BMW, its today's reality to build a sports car or and I6 engine", which is total crap, as proven by other manufacturers who are doing just that in both sports cars and I6's... - this lying sux, but again, positive excuses are business 101, its how they sell cars.
3 - Toyota provide all expense's paid, multi day trips for journalists, into controlled locations, with controlled cars for them to do reviews. They took a bunch of pre-production mkv supras, pumped them up a more than factory, and used these for the journo's to review in their controlled locations, & track tests, including dyno runs ... again as do most manufacturers, - its just business...
5 - Amongst all this, they give free cars out to selected Toyota friendly race teams to get the car in the media, again, making sure its in a positive light. They also took to to Instagram, Facebook, twitter, websites etc, etc, and have people promote the car and ensure a positive spin campaign runs hard, despite the tidal wave of people slamming the car as a disappointment. Toyota also starts to play down its competition, including its predecessor, making up outright lies about he MKIV to paint the new supra in a positive light. Its full swing "pump p the new supra" campaign.
6 - The young, the dumb, and the impressionable take the bait, and put on rose tinted fanboy goggles. Toyota continues he PR assault by claiming to have sold all initial orders, but that's very unlikely to be true, as seen with other manufactures, its a common false claim using the old "Its sold out, you cant have it" campaign. Toyota's original talk of selective "we only want it to go to enthusiasts" turned out to be total hors#t, as demonstrated by where supra number 1 went, and the non-vetting FCFS deposit system.
7 - Those Paid Promoters, and Fanboys leap to the MKV defence by making wild claims which just don't work outside of their delusions. Things like talking about the Auto box being a better choice to anything else, such as saying that the vents can simply be unplugged, that the same performance specs as the A80 is acceptable, that the car is actually 70hp higher than advertised, that its going to round the nurburgring in sub 7:40 (while Toyota refuses to do a lap), and then promoting that as a good thing whilst its old rival's are well below sub 7.
8 - Toyota continue to make baseless teases with talk of simplistic modification ability, then avoid questions about why they don't just put on the missing parts themselves, whilst promoting future upgraded versions which will likely never come apart from very small limited run numbers years from now. "manual was tested", "GRMN is likely" .. its a classic carrot and stick PR spin.
9 - A handful of reviewers like Chris Harris dissent and say what clearly the majority of the auto world are thinking about the new A90. That its a good car, but its not a great car, and its disappointing for the badge. Some openly expose the Toyota PR Spin cycle machine.
10 - Every MkV fanboy s#@$%'s a brick and goes into meltdown because its not the glowing paid promotion they demand and expect to hear everywhere. (How dare anyone not like the MkV?? - it has no problems!!). Toyota themselves hit back by finding promoters, fanboys and those who can be controlled or manipulated to do the defence with rants or rubbish claims. Its also not hard to find Instagram, Facebook, forum websites, or other threads which reek of a quid-pro-pro relationship with Toyota or related party and push those old "manual is coming", "GRMN version coming", etc etc.


Here is a thought.
People like Chris Harris or Doug Demuro are right, and people simply cant simply bear to hear the truthful reality.
Its a good car. Its just not a great car, its got a lot of problems, and its not truly a supra - it just a Z4 with a roof. Its a cash in on the supra name. Despite this, personally I think its will do very well in the market. Toyota has really run a well oiled and prepared PR marketing campaign.

Just like your bias’s and disdain for this car, you can’t stand when people are praising it and giving it a positive review. You jump for joy any negativity it receives and call everyone a “fanboy” hmmmm, you are doing exactly the same as what you are saying others are doing. The fact of the matter is many members that simply have a much higher IQ than you already stated that they, I, and others, want to hear a review about the car, not the whole collaboration, which has been beaten to death. We all can take the negative reviews, but at least, actual reviews, like others have said, the steering, handling, weight, etc....
 
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Wow that's some overly defensive rants going on in here over Chris Harris's review. Its hard to not to see it as serious bias in all the attacks being made against him.

Instead, in my opinion only, here is what I believe is going on:
1 - It starts when Toyota take a Z4, put it in drag, and called it a supra/Zupr4 to cash in on the name, and to maximise profit margins. Believe it or, not , this i can understand - its business, and has been done countless times with various manufactures and models.
2 - When everyone complains to hell and back about the concerns & problems, Toyota launch a brilliant PR marketing campaign to wash over the flaws with the car. They use distraction (such as talking about dual bonnet hatches, panel pressing, dramatic styled descriptions, separated design stages, etc), social media promoters, as well as quid pro quo to gain positive reviews. Tada isnt a car-building godfather. He's a marketing spin master, trying to skirt around and white wash all the problems with convenient afterthought false excuses, like "Toyota had to partner with BMW, its today's reality to build a sports car or and I6 engine", which is total crap, as proven by other manufacturers who are doing just that in both sports cars and I6's... - this lying sux, but again, positive excuses are business 101, its how they sell cars.
3 - Toyota provide all expense's paid, multi day trips for journalists, into controlled locations, with controlled cars for them to do reviews. They took a bunch of pre-production mkv supras, pumped them up a more than factory, and used these for the journo's to review in their controlled locations, & track tests, including dyno runs ... again as do most manufacturers, - its just business...
5 - Amongst all this, they give free cars out to selected Toyota friendly race teams to get the car in the media, again, making sure its in a positive light. They also took to to Instagram, Facebook, twitter, websites etc, etc, and have people promote the car and ensure a positive spin campaign runs hard, despite the tidal wave of people slamming the car as a disappointment. Toyota also starts to play down its competition, including its predecessor, making up outright lies about he MKIV to paint the new supra in a positive light. Its full swing "pump p the new supra" campaign.
6 - The young, the dumb, and the impressionable take the bait, and put on rose tinted fanboy goggles. Toyota continues he PR assault by claiming to have sold all initial orders, but that's very unlikely to be true, as seen with other manufactures, its a common false claim using the old "Its sold out, you cant have it" campaign. Toyota's original talk of selective "we only want it to go to enthusiasts" turned out to be total hors#t, as demonstrated by where supra number 1 went, and the non-vetting FCFS deposit system.
7 - Those Paid Promoters, and Fanboys leap to the MKV defence by making wild claims which just don't work outside of their delusions. Things like talking about the Auto box being a better choice to anything else, such as saying that the vents can simply be unplugged, that the same performance specs as the A80 is acceptable, that the car is actually 70hp higher than advertised, that its going to round the nurburgring in sub 7:40 (while Toyota refuses to do a lap), and then promoting that as a good thing whilst its old rival's are well below sub 7.
8 - Toyota continue to make baseless teases with talk of simplistic modification ability, then avoid questions about why they don't just put on the missing parts themselves, whilst promoting future upgraded versions which will likely never come apart from very small limited run numbers years from now. "manual was tested", "GRMN is likely" .. its a classic carrot and stick PR spin.
9 - A handful of reviewers like Chris Harris dissent and say what clearly the majority of the auto world are thinking about the new A90. That its a good car, but its not a great car, and its disappointing for the badge. Some openly expose the Toyota PR Spin cycle machine.
10 - Every MkV fanboy s#@$%'s a brick and goes into meltdown because its not the glowing paid promotion they demand and expect to hear everywhere. (How dare anyone not like the MkV?? - it has no problems!!). Toyota themselves hit back by finding promoters, fanboys and those who can be controlled or manipulated to do the defence with rants or rubbish claims. Its also not hard to find Instagram, Facebook, forum websites, or other threads which reek of a quid-pro-pro relationship with Toyota or related party and push those old "manual is coming", "GRMN version coming", etc etc.


Here is a thought.
People like Chris Harris or Doug Demuro are right, and people simply cant simply bear to hear the truthful reality.
Its a good car. Its just not a great car, its got a lot of problems, and its not truly a supra - it just a Z4 with a roof. Its a cash in on the supra name. Despite this, personally I think its will do very well in the market. Toyota has really run a well oiled and prepared PR marketing campaign.
What a load of nonsense. Every reviewer had different things to say about the car. Engineering Explained said he didn't like the steering feel that much and the steering ratio. Many have said the lack of a manual is a big oversight. Some complained about the visibility, others about the looks, and a lot on the fake vents. If you think it's just a "Z4 with a roof" then you are mistaken. People who have driven both have said that the Supra feels more alive, more sporty and definitely not as comfortable as the Z4. The Supra has a very Japanese feel to it's driving dynamics where as the Z4 is very German even though they have the same platform, engine and transmission. You think just because Toyota invited and paid for them, they aren't gonna criticize the car? Lol GTFO. It's already been criticized (weight, steering feel, looks, auto trans), but the positives FAR outweigh the negatives which...let's be real here...can be addressed by the aftermarket. Which is exactly what Tada wants. And I have no doubt in my mind along with everyone else here and almost all other enthusiasts that a 6 speed manual is coming. I am personally waiting for that before I get the car.

Doug Demuro is garbage. He caters to the every man driver who cares about basic sedans and SUV's. Sure he "reviews" sports cars, but that's mostly to get views and his dumb way of "reviewing" it means talking about worthless "quirks" which 95% of owners don't give a damn about and then driving it for 3 minutes. Lol WTF? Not to mention he mostly caters to 15-17 year old boys trying to be funny. I'd much rather have someone like SavageGeese, Matt Farah or The Straight Pipes review a car. They are far more informative than Doug.

As far as Harris goes, the guy is whack. All he cares about is drifting while regurgitating the spec sheet to viewers. The guy is a Youtuber brought onto the big screen where he is clearly out of his element. And there are far better car Youbuers than him now. Before when he got started he was fine but others have far surpassed him. If I wanna see drifting, I'd much rather watch Best Motoring or Hot Version and have Tsuchiya (aka the REAL drift king) or Orido drift the car. They are far more entertaining than Harris. Shit, I'd rather watch Matt Le Blanc over Harris.
 

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LMAO the irony.

Most people waiting for the supra expected a lot like the FT1/Toyota interior, functioning vent, manual trans etc and got disappointed

Same

Most people waiting for the Chris Harris review expected a driving review how it drives, and compare it to the many sport car he has driven and got disappointed.



Any chance of the Supra making it to The Grand Tour???
 

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Why wouldn't anyone here like the collaboration between Toyota and BMW? BMW makes the best inline 6's in the world. Pretty sure everyone here who doesn't like the collab would bitch and moan on how the car would've cost over $100,000 if Toyota designed their own inline 6 for it. Oh and I doubt the car would have been released by now as well if they did that. Also I would much rather take the BMW interior, switch gear, idrive controller and UI on the nav system over Toyota's any day of the week.
If you have read any of my posts here you know that I like the collab, you missed my point. But initial reactions weren't so positive. We in this forum have actually done our research to find all the great things about the collab instead of riding a wave of hate since the project's inceptions.

Can't follow what you are saying here. Is someone actually saying an Avalon interior is better than a BMW?
I am making an example statement that actually describes the specific car since the Avalon's interior quality gives us a point of reference to gauge quality. Where as continually complaining about BMW this, BMW that, doesn't tell us what the interior is like from what we can't see in pictures.

And yes someone did say that in this review. Whether or not he is wrong or right is something I can't back up, but his approach in communicating quality works well in this review.
 

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Not sure if it's been posted yet or not, but here's a Top Gear road drive review on UK roads. Previous was more track focused and on smooth Spanish roads.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/toyota/supra/30-pro-3dr-auto/first-drive
In the US the Supra is proving to be a much better proposition than in Europe. It's 20k cheaper than a comparable Cayman and it has a better exhaust note and engine character in the US... In Europe the exhaust is muted, making the engine characterless and it's priced more in line w a Cayman, making it a far less attractive proposition.
 

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In the US the Supra is proving to be a much better proposition than in Europe. It's 20k cheaper than a comparable Cayman and it has a better exhaust note and engine character in the US... In Europe the exhaust is muted, making the engine characterless and it's priced more in line w a Cayman, making it a far less attractive proposition.
Yep, for the same price here I can get a Cayman S. Hopefully going to Porsche in the next couple of weeks for a test drive in the lead up to the Supra drive so I can make a proper comparison.
 

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Other reviewers who expressed salient scrutiny about the A90 were very specific. The Curb Weight. The Steering Ratio. heck, the Front End.
I wouldn't mind a bad review of the A90. I do hope for one, a proper one.
Looking forward to when Mr.Clarkson takes the wheel xD

This is just a pedestrian review; prejudiced to denigrate the car. All the talk about the "Badge" and "cute story" of Toyota corroborates that he's simply stuck in the mindset of a "consumer". Seriously disappointed in this guy.
Couldn't agree more.

Kind of late to the Chris Harris review reactions, but his review was basically a rant. He even said so at the end of the article. I understand (Not agree) his segments about the history. Reading his article clearly shows the nameplate is what's bothering him and many others.

If that's biggest compliant a "respected" journalist like himself can come up, I consider that a win. As @mas921 pointed out, other reviewers were able to critique more physical aspects that I find more viable than Zupra rants.

However, I am in the camp that Toyota should had named the car differently. Same development, different name. They could had called it the FT-?? whatever. But, it being a Supra is not killing my enthusiasm for the car at all. Sorry for the ones who can't over look it.
 

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If you have read any of my posts here you know that I like the collab, you missed my point. But initial reactions weren't so positive. We in this forum have actually done our research to find all the great things about the collab instead of riding a wave of hate since the project's inceptions.



I am making an example statement that actually describes the specific car since the Avalon's interior quality gives us a point of reference to gauge quality. Where as continually complaining about BMW this, BMW that, doesn't tell us what the interior is like from what we can't see in pictures.

And yes someone did say that in this review. Whether or not he is wrong or right is something I can't back up, but his approach in communicating quality works well in this review.
An Avalon interior may be nice but that's not to say a BMW one isn't. BMW are great. The Supra's interior is great. Idk why anyone would complain about it.
 

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An Avalon interior may be nice but that's not to say a BMW one isn't. BMW are great. The Supra's interior is great. Idk why anyone would complain about it.
When did I say a BMW's interior is bad? When did I say an Avalon's interior is nicer than a BMW's? No one is complaining about anything. All I am saying is that reviewing a car should describe the car more than what is in the brochure. I can see it uses BMW parts and read through the features, but I can not judge quality through the brochure.

The statement "interior quality on par with what you see in an Avalon" is a statement saying that nothing in the interior is cheap feeling and rattling while I drive and I also know not to expect an S class. It isn't even comparing it to BMW, just making a relative statement to give the audience an idea of what it is like. Harris' review did nothing of this nature any only told me it has bmw this and bmw that, which I could already see.
 

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For everyone who wants this car to be called something else... what else would you call it?

Picture this: After years of speculation and hype, Toyota comes out with a "great," almost universally well-reviewed 2 door sports car with BMW bones and a BMW sourced turbocharged I-6 and calls it... the Celica? The FT-1? The Unicorn X? I bet people would be complaining why we couldn't just call it a Supra :bonk:

But hey at least we would have gotten a real Chris Harris review.
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