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Just because someone has a different opinion, doesn't mean they're complaining. It's simply a different opinion from yours, not wrong or right. If you're so hurt by others opinions dragging you down on internet forums, I can only imagine what struggle it is for you in real world where you constantly have to remind yourself about surrounding yourself with positivity. Carry on...
It doesn't mean they're complaining, I agree. But that isn't what youre doing, after 7 years you still can't come to terms with this car.
And it isn't your opinion, it's your attitude and your constant moaning about the car without means to an end. There are dozens of active members here who don't like the car but they, unlike you, communicate their thoughts and ideas in a constructive manner. Just because you have a MKIV as your profile picture doesn't mean your toxicity is justified.
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It doesn't mean they're complaining, I agree. But that isn't what youre doing, after 7 years you still can't come to terms with this car.
And it isn't your opinion, it's your attitude and your constant moaning about the car without means to an end. There are dozens of active members here who don't like the car but they, unlike you, communicate their thoughts and ideas in a constructive manner. Just because you have a MKIV as your profile picture doesn't mean your toxicity is justified.
The car's public reveal wasn't until a few months ago, not 7 years.

My attitude? Haha. If my opinion, attitude, and moaning hurts your feelings the best I can suggest for you princess is stop reading my comments.

Oh so now you're stereotyping the MKIV? That is some great constructive positivity hahaha. What an idiot.
 

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The car's public reveal wasn't until a few months ago, not 7 years.

My attitude? Haha. If my opinion, attitude, and moaning hurts your feelings the best I can suggest for you princess is stop reading my comments.

Oh so now you're stereotyping the MKIV? That is some great constructive positivity hahaha. What an idiot.
Information has been slowly releasing for years, don't know where youve been.

I am not offended or upset, it's just a broken record.

No its the idea that you think being a mkiv owner makes the toxicity valid.
 

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Information has been slowly releasing for years, don't know where youve been.

I am not offended or upset, it's just a broken record.

No its the idea that you think being a mkiv owner makes the toxicity valid.
Are we going to continue this useless conversation back and forth?

Not everyone lives on the forums or stays up to date. I wouldn't have to be a broken record if you read my prior posts where I've clearly covered this exact topic already.

And how did you come to that conclusion? Sounds like stereotyping to me, which newsflash has never been considered constructive or positive.
 

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Are we going to continue this useless conversation back and forth?

Not everyone lives on the forums or stays up to date. I wouldn't have to be a broken record if you read my prior posts where I've clearly covered this exact topic already.

And how did you come to that conclusion? Sounds like stereotyping to me, which newsflash has never been considered constructive or positive.
The fact is, this is a community, and the general consensus of this community is a favourable and positive one for the new Supra. If this were a face to face community, you would know your "opinion" is against the grain, and unless you're a sociopath, would not be so liberal in expressing it; you would recognize social cues that would clue you in that perhaps this is not the community for you, and your views do nothing but cause tension and disruption in a community that doesn't want them.

This is the internet, however, where it is too easy, and OK, apparently, to leave community ethics behind, and communicate every personal whim and belief, regardless of the social tension it creates. There is ample evidence that other community members do not like this, though.
 

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The fact is, this is a community, and the general consensus of this community is a favourable and positive one for the new Supra. If this were a face to face community, you would know your "opinion" is against the grain, and unless you're a sociopath, would not be so liberal in expressing it; you would recognize social cues that would clue you in that perhaps this is not the community for you, and your views do nothing but cause tension and disruption in a community that doesn't want them.

This is the internet, however, where it is too easy, and OK, apparently, to leave community ethics behind, and communicate every personal whim and belief, regardless of the social tension it creates. There is ample evidence that other community members do not like this, though.
Speaking of ethics, it must be one great community where having a difference of opinion is considered toxic. Especially interesting considering that the thread is titled "Comments & Reactions" is only for positive beliefs. Oh how dare I say anything negative... I might hurt some feelings :rolleyes1:
 

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Speaking of ethics, it must be one great community where having a difference of opinion is considered toxic. Especially interesting considering that the thread is titled "Comments & Reactions" is only for positive beliefs. Oh how dare I say anything negative... I might hurt some feelings :rolleyes1:
You're oversimplifying this and you know you are. It is not that you have a different opinion, it is that you are constantly expressing it, knowing it is going to cause tension. Express your opinion, (which happened months ago), and move on.
 

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You're oversimplifying this and you know you are. It is not that you have a different opinion, it is that you are constantly expressing it, knowing it is going to cause tension. Express your opinion, (which happened months ago), and move on.
Because its pretty simple. Ones opinion shouldn't cause any tension if you can accept that others may not have the same opinion as you.
 
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Speaking of ethics, it must be one great community where having a difference of opinion is considered toxic. Especially interesting considering that the thread is titled "Comments & Reactions" is only for positive beliefs. Oh how dare I say anything negative... I might hurt some feelings :rolleyes1:
I don't think it's what you're saying, but how often. It gets a bit old after some time. And at this point in the car's development, it's not going to change anything.

However, I respect your opinion. I just don't understand what you're defending the opinion with. Is it not your interpretation of a Supra? Too expensive? Not enough Toyota? I don't mind reading downfalls of the car, as long as there's valid points behind it. I would hope most of us aren't praising the car as if it's perfect, because it's not but a great option considering the sports car market now.
 

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Speaking of ethics, it must be one great community where having a difference of opinion is considered toxic. Especially interesting considering that the thread is titled "Comments & Reactions" is only for positive beliefs. Oh how dare I say anything negative... I might hurt some feelings :rolleyes1:
It has nothing to do with feelings, saying it doesn't justify your opinions while belittling others

I will give you an example of what it means to be constructive in a complaint:

"I do not like how they only gave us the option for heated seats since this car is mostly used in good weather and will en being that it is a rather useless, weight adding feature. If they were going to add the extra weight and cost, I would have preferred ventilated seats since that feature would be more useful"

I go further than just complaining by giving reason why I don't like something, by providing an alternate solution, and explaining how it makes the situation better than before.
 

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Because its pretty simple. Ones opinion shouldn't cause any tension if you can accept that others may not have the same opinion as you.
I don't think it is your opinion in and of itself that causes tension, it's how you seem to choose to be ignorant of the fact that opinions DO cause tension. People often cannot accept that others do not have the same opinion. This is normal. This is human. I'd wager it is the opinions here that differ to yours, and you don't like this, that compels you to continue to express your opinion. We are not robots. Differing opinions do cause tension, particularly when they are used over and over again, in a community that clearly has a different opinion. These are social facts.
 

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I don't think it's what you're saying, but how often. It gets a bit old after some time. And at this point in the car's development, it's not going to change anything.

However, I respect your opinion. I just don't understand what you're defending the opinion with. Is it not your interpretation of a Supra? Too expensive? Not enough Toyota? I don't mind reading downfalls of the car, as long as there's valid points behind it. I would hope most of us aren't praising the car as if it's perfect, because it's not but a great option considering the sports car market now.
I've covered this before, but I'll explain again. IMO, the car does not have enough Toyota. Some argue that an all out Toyota product would cost $100k and that the company would not move many units, and again the way I look at it - that's fine. This is not supposed to be a profit maker, thus for my bean counters comment earlier. Toyota pumps out millions of Camrys and Corollas every minute for that.

Then there's the BMW reliability factor, a company that historically lacks in this aspect, certainly from my experience. Will the changes made by Toyota improve this concern? Only time will tell. Thus far though, from all the images that I have seen the bay is a sea of plastic. Would have been nice to see more aluminum or other metals used for longevity sake.

It has nothing to do with feelings, saying it doesn't justify your opinions while belittling others

I will give you an example of what it means to be constructive in a complaint:

"I do not like how they only gave us the option for heated seats since this car is mostly used in good weather and will en being that it is a rather useless, weight adding feature. If they were going to add the extra weight and cost, I would have preferred ventilated seats since that feature would be more useful"

I go further than just complaining by giving reason why I don't like something, by providing an alternate solution, and explaining how it makes the situation better than before.
What you consider belittling others, I consider constructive criticism. I've elaborated with what I consider a constructive "complaint" in the response above. For the thousandth time as someone put it...

I don't think it is your opinion in and of itself that causes tension, it's how you seem to choose to be ignorant of the fact that opinions DO cause tension. People often cannot accept that others do not have the same opinion. This is normal. This is human. I'd wager it is the opinions here that differ to yours that compels you to continue to express your opinion. We are not robots. Differing opinions do cause tension, particularly when they are used over and over again, in a community that clearly has a different opinion. These are social facts.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to have the same opinion as me. If one chooses to see it as creating tension, that is a personal issue.
 

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What you consider belittling others, I consider constructive criticism. I've elaborated with what I consider a constructive "complaint" in the response above. For the thousandth time as someone put it...
In what world do you live in where you think you can call someone an idiot and label it as "constructive criticism?" That is absolute nonsense.

Are you JDMuscle? White MKIV from Houston and unable to construct an argument without insults and projections.
 

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I've covered this before, but I'll explain again. IMO, the car does not have enough Toyota. Some argue that an all out Toyota product would cost $100k and that the company would not move many units, and again the way I look at it - that's fine. This is not supposed to be a profit maker, thus for my bean counters comment earlier. Toyota pumps out millions of Camrys and Corollas every minute for that.

Then there's the BMW reliability factor, a company that historically lacks in this aspect, certainly from my experience. Will the changes made by Toyota improve this concern? Only time will tell. Thus far though, from all the images that I have seen the bay is a sea of plastic. Would have been nice to see more aluminum or other metals used for longevity sake.



What you consider belittling others, I consider constructive criticism. I've elaborated with what I consider a constructive "complaint" in the response above. For the thousandth time as someone put it...



I'm not trying to convince anyone to have the same opinion as me. If one chooses to see it as creating tension, that is a personal issue.
I will say though, I do not think that either side is going to change their statements at this point. So why don't we all just shut up and back off before Guff comes here and permabans everybody.
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