New Ford GT leaked?

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I really can't imagine the new car will cost that much. A Ford representative told Dan Neil for Wall Street Journal $150,000. I think they definitely have room to charge more, but I don't think it's likely Ford will eclipse $200k.

A lot of the Ferrari guys are throwing around rumors of $300k, $400k, $500k, since that's what they're used to paying. Also a bunch of the previous gen Ford GT guys are speculating $250k $350k because of current GT values and some suggesting Ford has some obligation to protect values of the old cars. It's all bullshit, and doesn't detract from the fact that the last car's MSRP was $149k.
I think it'll go up in price personally, but wow would this would be the wildest looking $150k car ever.
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Just go to fordgt forum, and see how many are jumping over each other, ready to drop the cash at prices way over the $150K!

The question for Ford to figure out is, do they want to price it for a fast sell out, or price it at a hard to sell out-price...?

Seems at a limited production, there are plenty of people already waiting in line to drop mid $200K, but at $400K, becomes a stretch for the factory to sell out the limited number...how long they can afford to hang on to $400K+ cars on their lot, is a question for the bean counters...
 

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First car came out at $150k and while many sold for sticker, most dealers marked them up to $180k, $200k, $250k. And the dealers with big markups sat on these cars for months and even years.

I suspect it'll be the same this go-round, with the market more or less dictating the price regardless of MSRP. I would think that above $200k they will move pretty slowly.

From what I recall, the last car was not limited production per-se, more limited to how many they thought they could sell, and cut off due to airbag and restraint regulations which stopped Ford from being able to make the car another year. They made ~4k cars but there were hundreds of cars available at any given time.
 
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Ford Shows Off New GT In Liquid Silver Color In Chicago, Says It Will Be Built in Canada

Ford's 2016 GT supercar is making its second appearance on US soil at this week's Chicago Auto Show, with a new color twist.

Instead of the Detroit show car's racing blue hue, this one is finished in a more purposeful "Liquid Silver" color with matte black double-racing stripes and gloss-black alloy wheels.

In related news, Canadian media are reporting that Ford confirmed production of the new GT at a company in Markham, Canada, named Multimatic, with Ford’s president of the Americas Joe Hinrichs telling The Star that the privately-held global auto parts supplier was chosen "because of its expertise in carbon fibre".

Hinrichs also told reporters that while pricing and production numbers will be announced at a later stage, Ford will make "fewer GTs and they will cost more than the previous GT" because of its carbon fiber construction that's more expensive than the older aluminum model.
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/02/ford-shows-off-new-gt-in-liquid-silver.html
 

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They already know that there are "deep pocket collectors" willing to pay $475-$500K for the 2005/2006 version with the Heritage paint job ($13K option). So it'll be an interesting gamble or an interesting calculated price/guesstimate...?

At $200K, "it seems" (?) they won't have much problem selling out, but at $400K, they have to wait until the car wins a 24hr Le Mans or two...or more. The question is how long can they afford to sit on it and still turn a hefty profit???

Rumors are a total number of 1300 cars...(?)
 

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Suddenly the car doesn't look as appealing to me anymore. Unveiled it looked like a $200k hero, now for $400k... meh.

I guess I'll have to wait and see...
 

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Not sure what's up car industry's panties anymore! One Ford dealer who sells 100-150 fords a year was complaining on the GT forum that he cannot even get one for himself!!!

Way too many speculators mixing it in, and closing the doors on enthusiasts! And the car manufacturers know it and they are cashing in on the whole thing!

It's a win win for car manufacturers! They sell at high prices and will never have to fix a thing on warranty, since no one will be driving it...?

At the end of the day, it's a bloody ford for F*s sake...at $400K! And I'll bet the speculators who are able to buy one will be flipping it in auctions for $600K...
 

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I'm surprised at the price as well. I understand the whole heritage behind the GT but $397k for a Ford super car is insane. Pretty sure Ford has noticed what people have been willing to pay for the previous models, so hey why not sell a new generation for around the same price and make extra profit.

I'd rather take an NSX over this for less than half the cost and will probably be a better all around super car.
 

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For $400k it had better be a monster, legitimate supercar within reach of LaFerrari, P1, 918, etc. If it's anything less than that it's just a joke. It would be a shame if we never get to see these cars on the street.

There's just too many other options at this price level. For less money you could have a McLaren 675LT, a Ferrari 488, Aventador SV, F12, etc. By the time it comes out, we'll probably have the McLaren P14, possibly a mid-level Porsche supercar, and who knows what else. At $400k, the Ford GT will have to beat all of these.
 
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If greed is the driver, ford may fall flat on their face with a lot of very expensive cars on their hand.

A poll on GT forum indicates 50% of people there are willing to cough up the money. But it seems their dealers aren't getting any!?!?

I bet you they are mostly going to either UAE or Dubai!

Here's what my contact said, after I mentioned the above to him:

"Hi Kamran,

That is consistent with what we've learned here. Unfortunately for me, we've also very recently learned that we aren't going to have one to sell (I have an email scheduled for you on the 17th when I would have shared that with you).

I truly wish you the best in finding one-- only dealers with in-house body shops certified for carbon fiber, and technicians specially certified to work on the car, will be getting allocations. There are no Ford dealers in Washington State currently eligible for an allocation.

Regretfully,

Michael

Michael XXXX
Internet Sales Director"
 
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We poke around the secret US design studio where the Ford GT was born

“It’s not a gorgeous design studio. It’s not this wonderful place with windows and wonderful floors. It was uncomfortable. It was dark. When it rained, it flooded.” So says Chris Svensson, Ford’s Design Director for the Americas. Hard to believe that a car of such potent beauty could emerge from such a place, isn’t it? But emerge it did at the 2015 Detroit motor show and now, a year on, we’ve been granted access to this damp cave of wonders at Ford’s design HQ in Dearborn, Michigan.

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Words: Jack Rix

“This was a top secret project. Very few of us had access to it and we weren’t allowed to talk about it. So, we created a room outside of the normal studio,” Svensson tells us. “Literally, a handful of twelve people, including some key engineers, had access to the room. We went old school, we had keys. And not until we unveiled the car last year at Detroit, did anybody else in this building know about it.”

Just imagine that level of secrecy for a moment. Keeping schtum from the press is one thing, but the guy you sit next to on your lunch break? It must have been excruciating.

But those were the conditions if you wanted to work on America’s next great supercar. Many of the designers and engineers had other projects on the boil, too, so the GT became extra curricular. Team leaders were pulling 8pm to midnight shifts to get everything done within the ridiculously tight timeframe. Soon though, it will all be worth it. It goes on sale towards the end of 2016, costing around £250,000 for a hand-picked few.

As we’re led into the studio it is indeed dingy, windowless, but fortunately dry as a bone. There are three full-scale prototypes lined up nose to tail along the length of the room: a painted clay model, the 2015 Detroit show car re-coloured white, and a final verification model milled out of solid aluminium. Display boards are plastered with sketches arranged in chronological order, starting with the three main themes (new generation GT, performance efficiency and modern seduction) that eventually get fleshed out and whittled down to the final design – both for the exterior and the interior. It’s reassuring to note that in this digital age designers still get the crayons out and sketch by hand.

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Chris hands over to Jamal Hameedi, chief engineer for Ford performance. “Where we started was aerodynamic efficiency. If anyone knows anything about Le Mans, it’s always low down force that’s efficient. I think that’s what makes the Ford GT more special than the Ferrari or the McLaren is that the purpose of this car, and the efficiency of the racing, goes right down to the very core of its existence. For example, the powertrain selection was unusual because it was a secondary criteria to the main aerodynamic signature of the car. The aerodynamics were developed first, and then we picked the most efficient Eco boost engine that we could find for that package.”

Other supercar manufacturers might have weekend bags, or golf clubs
 we didn’t have those kind of targets.
It’s fascinating to hear how on this project, more than any other in Ford’s history, engineers and designers had to work together in real time, living in each other’s pockets. But assuming the GT performs like Ford claims, engineering perfection has never looked so good. The huge negative spaces below the pontoons were agreed early, Svensson says. The “teardrop profile” is seen all the time on LMP1 cars, but rarely on road cars and is the most efficient way to slip through the air. There are other tricks too: air gulped into vents ahead of the rear wheels is expelled through the middle of the circular taillights – a perfect example of function complementing design.

Of course, it had to be recognisable as the GT40’s offspring, hence the square headlights, cut back leading edge on the nose, wraparound windscreen and circular taillights with raised twin pipes between them were non-negotiable. “At no point did we talk about retro on this car. We talked about the lineage Ford has, history, and building on that history, but doing something very different to anybody else,” Svensson says. “We didn’t want to just do another Ferrari, another Lamborghini, another Mclaren. We wanted to do our own thing.”

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The downside to this wonderfully packaged piece of design? “Our targets didn’t include things like luggage. It didn’t include creature comforts. Other supercar manufacturers might have weekend bags, or golf clubs, we didn’t have those kind of targets.”

Peering down at the 600bhp-odd 3.5-litre V6 turbo through the glass engine cover, there’s precious little space to spare, but shouldn’t a true American supercar always use a V8? Hameedi disagrees. “Le Mans is very much a full economy race. The power level for this engine on a homologated race car is around 500bhp, so, you can easily reach that with a V6, and Eco-boost technology makes it extremely fuel efficient. Its mass per bhp, and mass per lb ft of torque, as well as its centre of gravity, all of those are vastly superior to a V8. If the other guys want to haul around two cylinders not doing anything, then go ahead, but a six cylinder is all we need.”

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The defining characteristic of the GT’s interior is a fixed seating position – allowing the bodywork to be shrink-wrapped around the occupants. Adjustment comes from the electrically-moveable pedal box and a telescopic steering wheel that can shift back and forth by up to 200mm. Tight dimensions in the cabin defined the components that were chosen, too, as Amko Leenarts, global interior design director, explains. “That is why we opted for a six and a half inch touch screen and a very small steering wheel that’s cut on the top and cut on the bottom: cut on the top for vision, and we cut on the bottom because otherwise you couldn’t get in the car.

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“We opted for a visual cluster with different driving modes,” he adds. “We have sport, then you have track, we’ve got a wet mode, then V-max mode which is really about top speed. The car lowers down.”

It dawns on me that these three guys have been talking relentlessly for over an hour, unscripted, unprompted, just spewing enthusiasm on every tiny detail of this extraordinary thing. You can feel the passion in this small, leaky room, and not just from the team who have occupied it for the last 15 months; it oozes from every sketch, every scale model, every element of the finished car.

It’s not a gorgeous design studio, but something beautiful has come out of it.
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/inside-ford-gts-secret-design-bunker
 
 




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