GR Supra resale values: Is the Supra gonna depreciate like the germans? / Expected Depreciation

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I don't think anyone here thinks it will be $15k in 3 years. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see them going for $25-30k in 3 years when buying used.
This is the exact discussion the OP is asking for. A lot of people hear the worst about German cars and assume they all lose most of their value after a year. Obviously this is just a stereotype as this phenomenon is present in all regions, for example Infiniti Q50s.
 

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All good points, but isn't it gonna hold on better, look at the price compared to it's sister z4
 

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This is the exact discussion the OP is asking for. A lot of people hear the worst about German cars and assume they all lose most of their value after a year. Obviously this is just a stereotype as this phenomenon is present in all regions, for example Infiniti Q50s.
Yeah I think the same thing will happen with the A90. It's not some super rare limited production car. These things are going to be mass produced on an annual basis. Just like every other Japanese and European sports car. I think OP was expecting this thing to hold its value like a Mk4 Supra. Those are becoming a collectible now and that's why you see clean stock unmodified ones going for $100k these days. I don't think the same thing will happen with the Mk5 though. At least not 5-10 years from now. Maybe 20 years down the line when people wanna snatch up a clean stock unmodified one then sure. But even that's a stretch. The fact that its mass produced is really something that hurts its resale.
 
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Yeah I think the same thing will happen with the A90. It's not some super rare limited production car. These things are going to be mass produced on an annual basis. Just like every other Japanese and European sports car. I think OP was expecting this thing to hold its value like a Mk4 Supra. Those are becoming a collectible now and that's why you see clean stock unmodified ones going for $100k these days. I don't think the same thing will happen with the Mk5 though. At least not 5-10 years from now. Maybe 20 years down the line when people wanna snatch up a clean stock unmodified one then sure. But even that's a stretch. The fact that it has a mass produced engine and not a bespoke one is really something that hurts its resale.
The thing with the MKIV was that, about 11K were sold in the U.S from 93.5-98. Then when you factor in how many were crashed an totaled along with NA and TT, Auto and 6spd, sport roof and hardtop, the number get broken down.

For my MKIV, mine is 1/431 since it's a Premier Edition, TT 6 spd. This is what makes them a little more special.

http://mkiv.com/specifications/sales_numbers/retail_sales.html[URL]http://mkiv.com/specifications/sales_numbers/retail_sales.html[/URL]


I just happened to look at M4's, 2016-2019 on AT. There is a brand new 2019 going for $92,120. Now there are some 2016's for almost half the price at 49,995 with under 20K miles. In a matter of 3 yrs, they have depreciated that much. I could see the MKV doing the same.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...List=BMW&searchRadius=500&clickType=spotlight
 

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I think OP was expecting this thing to hold its value like a Mk4 Supra.
I don't he is implying that at all, he doesn't even say the MK4 anywhere in his post just blanket statements such as "Japanese cars" and "German cars"

This statement here "Or would the brand and Japanese heritage keep the supra's value a little higher than their German counterparts" references the Supra's competition, the Cayman, M2/M2C, Z4, etc. Obviously with these cars deprecate thousands off the lot but that is just a small fraction of their value is normal for cars from both Japan and Germany. Still, they are in no way comparative to the MK4's appeal and value as of now

We can tell he is talking about regional cars as a whole and not specifically rare cars by the multiple blankets statements of "Japanese cars" and "German cars"

The Q50 example was to show not all Japanese car's depreciate equally. Look at the used prices of of 2018 Q50's vs 2018 GS350's. The Q50 has depreciated 50% in a year and a half while the GS has held 75% of it's value, thus regional depreciation isn't so cut and dry
 

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The thing with the MKIV was that, about 11K were sold in the U.S from 93.5-98. Then when you factor in how many were crashed an totaled along with NA and TT, Auto and 6spd, sport roof and hardtop, the number get broken down.

For my MKIV, mine is 1/431 since it's a Premier Edition, TT 6 spd. This is what makes them a little more special.

http://mkiv.com/specifications/sales_numbers/retail_sales.htmlhttp://mkiv.com/specifications/sales_numbers/retail_sales.html


I just happened to look at M4's, 2016-2019 on AT. There is a brand new 2019 going for $92,120. Now there are some 2016's for almost half the price at 49,995 with under 20K miles. In a matter of 3 yrs, they have depreciated that much. I could see the MKV doing the same.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=504221664&zip=92128&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=92128&startYear=2016&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&incremental=all&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=BMWM4&makeCodeList=BMW&searchRadius=500&transmissionCodes=MAN&startYear=2016&numRecords=25&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=BMWM4&makeCodeList=BMW&searchRadius=500&clickType=spotlight
That's not entirely accurate. You're assuming all are priced high around 92k which, when compared to the median, is on the very top end. My M3 stickered when new for 60-65k (can't quite remember). I assume the pricing would average out to about 65-70k. In that case, the depreciation would definitely be significant, but honestly not bad considering how common the car is.
 

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That's not entirely accurate. You're assuming all are priced high around 92k which, when compared to the median, is on the very top end. My M3 stickered when new for 60-65k (can't quite remember). I assume the pricing would average out to about 65-70k. In that case, the depreciation would definitely be significant, but honestly not bad considering how common the car is.
How about this?

https://usedfirst.com/cars/bmw/

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1552834
 

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IMO even though its technically more BMW than Toyota, the market will see it as a Toyota/Lexus or worst case scenario, like an 86. A 3 year old A90 would probably cost 30-40k depending on trim level, mileage and modifications.

Edit: math
 

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IMO even though its technically more BMW than Toyota, the market will see it as a Toyota/Lexus or worst case scenario, like an 86. A 3 year old A90 would probably cost 30-40k depending on trim level, mileage and modifications.

Edit: math
Probably higher once it's in WEC
 
 




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