GR Supra resale values: Is the Supra gonna depreciate like the germans? / Expected Depreciation

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Legit question... where do I take this car to get serviced, BMW or Toyota?

I think this car will sell well, but not as well as Toyota thinks. Will probably have good numbers the first and second year and then will dwindle down. Once the general public realizes this car is 95% BMW, it will take a big hit in resale value. A lot of the BMW M models are awesome cars, but look at their resale value. Toyota and BMW customers couldn't be anymore different. One wants to buy a reliable car that will last 10+ years with minimal maintenance and the other wants to lease a sporty, fast car that they can trade in after 2 years for a new model
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Legit question... where do I take this car to get serviced, BMW or Toyota?
Ha funny.

Once the general public realizes this car is 95% BMW, it will take a big hit in resale value.
If everyone found out years ago, how would it impact the used car market years from now?

A lot of the BMW M models are awesome cars, but look at their resale value. Toyota and BMW customers couldn't be anymore different. One wants to buy a reliable car that will last 10+ years with minimal maintenance and the other wants to lease a sporty, fast car that they can trade in after 2 years for a new model
The BMW M models depreciate at the same rate as the average Toyota as per Desmo's link above so I don't see how that's an issue.

Youre generalizing the average Toyota buyer as someone who treats their car as an appliance. No one is cross shopping a Camry and a Supra.
Youre generalizing the average BMW buyer as someone who only buys M performance or M models. This ignores the vast majority of people who call BMW's luxury cars.
Youre generalizing buyers as a whole as people who never cross shop manufacturers as if they are buying fan apparrel from their alma mater

Look how many people in this group own cars from multiple manufacturers. Your statement ignores the fact that people are informed consumers and actually understand what they are buying to a certain degree
 

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But I think it is fair to point out the cars like the M3 hold their value better than the average BMW
The BMW M models depreciate at the same rate as the average Toyota as per Desmo's link above so I don't see how that's an issue.

Youre generalizing the average Toyota buyer as someone who treats their car as an appliance. No one is cross shopping a Camry and a Supra.
Youre generalizing the average BMW buyer as someone who only buys M performance or M models. This ignores the vast majority of people who call BMW's luxury cars.
Youre generalizing buyers as a whole as people who never cross shop manufacturers as if they are buying fan apparrel from their alma mater

Look how many people in this group own cars from multiple manufacturers. Your statement ignores the fact that people are informed consumers and actually understand what they are buying to a certain degree
Let's just put everything up so we can see the difference. Man, Z4's tanked harder then a M1 Abrams!

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Let's just put everything up so we can see the difference. Man, Z4's tanked harder then a M1 Abrams!
Of course they did, the old Z4's weren't nearly the car the new one is nor was it an enthusiast car like they used to be.
Although the Supra is related to the Z4, they don't compete in the same demographic in the same way the SLC doesn't compete with the C43/C63
 

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What was the MKIV depreciation curve?
Here you go! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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It's been out of production for too long to accurately quantify any valid data. However, here is what Hagerty values them at.

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1994-Toyota-Supra-Mk_IV_Turbo

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1998-Toyota-Supra-Mk_IV_Turbo

Of course they did, the old Z4's weren't nearly the car the new one is nor was it an enthusiast car like they used to be.
Although the Supra is related to the Z4, they don't compete in the same demographic in the same way the SLC doesn't compete with the C43/C63
True but don't you think it'll still carry the same stigma associated with the Z4, positive and negative?
 

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True but don't you think it'll still carry the same stigma associated with the Z4, positive and negative?
I think is very improbable for anyone to factor in the E89 Z4 when relating to the A90 in any way shape or form, especially depreciation.

I barely think the G29 will impact the A90 depreciation in the same way values of the A80 and SC300/400 have moved independently of one another. The G29 and A90 may have been developed on the same platform but are nothing alike. As much as I hated the TopGear reviews, they said it best here
But here’s the thing. This might seem like the most obvious twin test in the world – who built a better sports car from the same box of bits, Toyota or BMW? - but meaningful head to heads are supposed to compare two cars that overlap in terms of price, power and function, in the hope it offers buyers in that nook of the market some assistance. But I can’t see anyone cross-shopping between a Supra and a Z4, because despite being grown from the same seedlings, the differences are deeper than one has a roof, the other doesn’t – they’re philosophically polar opposite. This comparison then is more out of curiosity, than necessity.
 

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I think is very improbable for anyone to factor in the E89 Z4 when relating to the A90 in any way shape or form, especially depreciation.

I barely think the G29 will impact the A90 depreciation in the same way values of the A80 and SC300/400 have moved independently of one another. The G29 and A90 may have been developed on the same platform but are nothing alike. As much as I hated the TopGear reviews, they said it best here
I think it will depreciate just like how the Z4 coupes of the past have. If M cars can depreciate, what makes you think a non M car won't. The A90 is already a niche being a sports car but then add some of the lesser creature comforts, 2 seater, trunk space, auto only. The Toyota badge and Supra name can only carry it so far.

I agree with the TG post that not too many are going to cross shop the G29 and A90. We shall see in the long term reviews when owners have had their cars for 6 month-1yr and with 30K miles. I don't see this car being Toyota robust and going to 200K with just oil changes.
 

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I think it will depreciate just like how the Z4 coupes of the past have. If M cars can depreciate, what makes you think a non M car won't. The A90 is already a niche being a sports car but then add some of the lesser creature comforts, 2 seater, trunk space, auto only. The Toyota badge and Supra name can only carry it so far.

I agree with the TG post that not too many are going to cross shop the G29 and A90. We shall see in the long term reviews when owners have had their cars for 6 month-1yr and with 30K miles. I don't see this car being Toyota robust and going to 200K with just oil changes.
I have never said it won't depreciate, it is a car after all. Many times throughout this thread I have actually stated it will, just not as bad as the German stereotype. I also mentioned earlier that it will depreciate like M and M performance cars, which as you have shown, depreciate much slower than the average BMW and similarly to Toyota as a whole which is what the OP asked in the first place.
 

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Here you go! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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It's been out of production for too long to accurately quantify any valid data. However, here is what Hagerty values them at.

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1994-Toyota-Supra-Mk_IV_Turbo

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1998-Toyota-Supra-Mk_IV_Turbo



True but don't you think it'll still carry the same stigma associated with the Z4, positive and negative?
I understand what you're saying, but don't forget from 2000-2010 they depreciated pretty horrendously. If I recall it wasn't too hard to get a nice twin turbo then for about 20k?
 

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I understand what you're saying, but don't forget from 2000-2010 they depreciated pretty horrendously. If I recall it wasn't too hard to get a nice twin turbo then for about 20k?
Yeah, there was a time when Toyota were heavily discounting them to get rid of them. I mean, I bought mine for around that mid level price that you've mentioned. My buddy David Song, one of the original Supra hard top registry owners was selling his 94 hardtop 6 spd TT for the low 20's to get a GTR. TBH, a lot of used cars, parts were cheaper in the 2000's. I remember seeing ITR's for sale in the teens.
 

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I understand what you're saying, but don't forget from 2000-2010 they depreciated pretty horrendously. If I recall it wasn't too hard to get a nice twin turbo then for about 20k?
2008, paid $22k for my all original TT 6 speed lol. Man if I knew how that would turn out I would of bought 3.
 

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Even at rock bottom you couldn't touch a clean TT 6sp worth buying for under 25k. That said, everything was cheaper early/mid 00's.
 

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