Supra vs C8 Corvette

I think Chevy did an AWESOME job with the C8. It´s a bold move, and I think it will be a great car and a huge sales success.

However....

It is pretty heavy. As per car and driver: "Chevy is being coy on weight by only divulging a dry-weight figure of 3366 pounds. That implies a curb weight of roughly 3600 pounds, which is about 150 pounds heavier than the C7 (which itself gained 100 pounds over the C6)". Supra has been tested on the scales to be 3372 lbs.

Base version is really basic. For instance, you need the Z51 package to get the electronic torque-vectoring differential. Adaptive dampers come only in the top suspension package (FE4), while FE1 and FE2 Z51 have passive dampers. Base Supra has both e-diff and adaptive dampers, for 10k less. No variable exhaust valves on the base C8 either.

Tuneability. We all know it´s much easier to get power from a turbo engine. In fact, given the numbers the Supra is pushing stock, it´s quite likely that it will put C8-like power with just a tune. In a 200lbs lighter chasis. For less money.

First year problems. Totally new architecture, totally new gearbox/differential, and let´s remember this is GM. There will be issues. Waiting for the problems to be ironed out may be reasonable. This hold true to most new platforms but the Supra has a tried and true engine / gearbox combo and the chasis itself is also based on tested BMW models.

It will be exciting to see a Base Supra vs Base Corvette test. My guess is the Corvette will have a slight edge, but not as much as everybody believes. A top spec Z51 C8 will be a different animal and will be much faster than the Supra, but it will also be a 70k+ car.

Dannyvandelft said:

Don't tell the dealer that. Walk in with a C8 brochure clearly visible. Make them THINK you want one. Instant discount

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Already bought my Supra at MSRP. And apparently the finance guy got in trouble for offering the extended warranty and tire warranty for cheaper than he should have.

Nurburgring said:

I think Chevy did an AWESOME job with the C8. It´s a bold move, and I think it will be a great car and a huge sales success.

However....

It is pretty heavy. As per car and driver: "Chevy is being coy on weight by only divulging a dry-weight figure of 3366 pounds. That implies a curb weight of roughly 3600 pounds, which is about 150 pounds heavier than the C7 (which itself gained 100 pounds over the C6)". Supra has been tested on the scales to be 3372 lbs.

Base version is really basic. For instance, you need the Z51 package to get the electronic torque-vectoring differential. Adaptive dampers come only in the top suspension package (FE4), while FE1 and FE2 Z51 have passive dampers. Base Supra has both e-diff and adaptive dampers, for 10k less. No variable exhaust valves on the base C8 either.

Tuneability. We all know it´s much easier to get power from a turbo engine. In fact, given the numbers the Supra is pushing stock, it´s quite likely that it will put C8-like power with just a tune. In a 200lbs lighter chasis. For less money.

First year problems. Totally new architecture, totally new gearbox/differential, and let´s remember this is GM. There will be issues. Waiting for the problems to be ironed out may be reasonable. This hold true to most new platforms but the Supra has a tried and true engine / gearbox combo and the chasis itself is also based on tested BMW models.

It will be exciting to see a Base Supra vs Base Corvette test. My guess is the Corvette will have a slight edge, but not as much as everybody believes. A top spec Z51 C8 will be a different animal and will be much faster than the Supra, but it will also be a 70k+ car.

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Yet in the Supra you can't change anything. No interior colors, no wheel options, brake colors, striping, etc. You get 2 options. Nannies or no nannies.
The Z51 package will likely be around 5k so you'll still have everything performance wise for low 60's. So you're talking 10k difference for 160 more horsepower, over a second faster to 60, mid-engine, and the looks are amazing. The next thing that comes close is the NSX at more than double the price or maybe a Cayman GTS but properly specced they get close to a 100k without trying too.

Looks are to each his own. And so is engine sound. The Corvette just doesnt do it for me

Vette also has sweet NA V8 so great throttle response and good sounding

Sigh tough choice

Twisted Tuning said:

C8 mid engine Corvette is a beauty. And a performer thats for sure. I love the fact that they went mid engine on the Vette. I've always felt that the corvette should have been mid or rear engine once it started pretty much being a supercar. They could leave the camaro as front engine. Much welcomed update from GM.

But to put it in perspective in comparison to A90. if you're worried about power Stock for Stock, the A90 will make 500whp with just a meth kit and downpipe and tune if the turbo is the same flow as the bmw counterpart. I only mention power, since that seems to be most peoples biggest issue with the A90. C8 being 495hp rated at the crank is A90 tune only power. Realistically i feel the A90 stock for stock with minimal investment post purchase has more power potential. Now getting into the aftermarket upgrades it'll be interesting. Vette has the displacement adavntage of course. so in terms of FI, both have potential but Vette has the immediate advantage. But the B58 is 700-750whp capable with just turbo upgrade and fuel and tune. Over that you should do rods and pistons. Vette will make that power too with a turbo or supercharger kit.

I think this choice boils down to which car do you like more for the same money just about.

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Dannyvandelft said:

Yet in the Supra you can't change anything. No interior colors, no wheel options, brake colors, striping, etc. You get 2 options. Nannies or no nannies.
The Z51 package will likely be around 5k so you'll still have everything performance wise for low 60's. So you're talking 10k difference for 160 more horsepower, over a second faster to 60, mid-engine, and the looks are amazing. The next thing that comes close is the NSX at more than double the price or maybe a Cayman GTS but properly specced they get close to a 100k without trying too.

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Canadian market got interior color choice.

Nurburgring said:

I think Chevy did an AWESOME job with the C8. It´s a bold move, and I think it will be a great car and a huge sales success.

However....

It is pretty heavy. As per car and driver: "Chevy is being coy on weight by only divulging a dry-weight figure of 3366 pounds. That implies a curb weight of roughly 3600 pounds, which is about 150 pounds heavier than the C7 (which itself gained 100 pounds over the C6)". Supra has been tested on the scales to be 3372 lbs.

Base version is really basic. For instance, you need the Z51 package to get the electronic torque-vectoring differential. Adaptive dampers come only in the top suspension package (FE4), while FE1 and FE2 Z51 have passive dampers. Base Supra has both e-diff and adaptive dampers, for 10k less. No variable exhaust valves on the base C8 either.

Tuneability. We all know it´s much easier to get power from a turbo engine. In fact, given the numbers the Supra is pushing stock, it´s quite likely that it will put C8-like power with just a tune. In a 200lbs lighter chasis. For less money.

First year problems. Totally new architecture, totally new gearbox/differential, and let´s remember this is GM. There will be issues. Waiting for the problems to be ironed out may be reasonable. This hold true to most new platforms but the Supra has a tried and true engine / gearbox combo and the chasis itself is also based on tested BMW models.

It will be exciting to see a Base Supra vs Base Corvette test. My guess is the Corvette will have a slight edge, but not as much as everybody believes. A top spec Z51 C8 will be a different animal and will be much faster than the Supra, but it will also be a 70k+ car.

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Definitely a heavy sports car, but it’s also a really big sports car with loads of cargo space. Still lighter than something like a R35 though.

I don’t see anything wrong with the base car having passive dampers either. The McLaren 570S is one of the best sports cars around, and it’s only got passive dampers. Having an open diff might be an issue for the C8, at least the mid engine layout helps a bit with putting power down.

As far as NA engines go. The LS/LT engines actually respond pretty well to simple bolt ons and tune.

Reliability for the new DCT is definitely an unknown, hopefully Tremec made the transmission serviceable unlike what ZF did with the Porsche PDK

And again people turn off their brain and Scream POWAAAA!

Rotaryrunner said:

But that isn't the point. It is not a manual that everyone seems to want, the zf8 is one of the best automatic transmissions that are out there.

But still everyone is obsessed by the supra not having a manual.

Now that the c8 is out and Chevy tells everyone how great their DCT is no one cares?!

This tells me that the "no manual no supra" argument is just another handle for haters to hold tight while shiting all over the mkv!

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Personally I don't agree. While well designed DCT's are very good I am similarly disappointed and turned off that the Corvette C8 doesn't have a manual transmission. Like the new Supra it's a great car in so many other aspects and that is what makes it frustrating.

No one has any trouble today finding a non-manual performance car. They're everywhere and that's not changing.

I strongly prefer a traditional manual transmission regardless of how much "better" any car is supposed to be without one. That is until a vehicle in question gets into hybrid or full electrification. Then a row your own manual simply won't be possible in any practical way at all.

Any performance cars that still offer manuals will remain 100% more interesting to me than those that do not until none offer manuals at all any longer.

Outside of that I love the new C8 but... no manual trans option doesn't do it for me, great as it appears to be. And I feel exactly the same way about the Supra MKV. In both cases it is disappointing.

Neither the C8 or Supra MKV are hybrid cars yet or at least a hybrid setup is not the sole configuration for either one... so at current time... GM and Toyota should be offering a manual trim level (which should include their desirable/powerful engines) for both respective halo iconic sportscars.

Once the Supra and C8 go hybrid-only for ALL trim levels... then ok. I will understand at that time when a manual transmission won't even be possible rather than a *completely* technically doable possibility that the people who want it keep demanding.

But as long as these cars are offered in non-electrified trim levels... where's the stick option that should be there while it still CAN be offered?

The Supra MKV is no exception to this and neither is the Corvette C8.

This is basically the same car just not mid engine. The price jumps to 70k really quick. The 495 hp is only with the exhaust package on the new c8 so I'm assuming it's going to be that same 460 hp.

https://www.tflcar.com/2015/12/2016-corvette-stingray-z51-0-60-mph-performance-review-video/

Well next week I’m expected to get my Supra and am really questioning the purchase now the C8 has been unveiled. I have owned many Corvettes so I was curious what the Corvette community though of it.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forum...ving-second-thoughts-after-seeing-the-c8.html

All depends on what you are paying and if you're willing to wait. With all these ridiculous over MSRP demands being made, my dealer is charging 10k over, it's actually more expensive than a C8. So I'm waiting. I'm going to test drive both and see what's what. I don't need a Launch Edition, so by the time the C8 is readily available, the Supra prices should have normalized by then.

Toyotawild said:

This is basically the same car just not mid engine. The price jumps to 70k really quick. The 495 hp is only with the exhaust package on the new c8 so I'm assuming it's going to be that same 460 hp.

https://www.tflcar.com/2015/12/2016-corvette-stingray-z51-0-60-mph-performance-review-video/

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Nope. The Z51 package adds 5 horsepower and 5 ft/lbs of torque.
The quicker acceleration comes from shorter gearing in the gearbox helped by an electronic LSD. So you still buy a 490 horsepower midengine supercar for less than 60k.

Dannyvandelft said:

Nope. The Z51 package adds 5 horsepower and 5 ft/lbs of torque.
The quicker acceleration comes from shorter gearing in the gearbox helped by an electronic LSD. So you still buy a 490 horsepower midengine supercar for less than 60k.

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It's not the same car. By virtue of moving the engine mid-mounted, all driving dynamics have improved. The increased engine performance is just a bonus on top.

Sadfhorde said:

It's not the same car. By virtue of moving the engine mid-mounted, all driving dynamics have improved. The increased engine performance is just a bonus on top.

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Yup exactly. I'm sure all the main motoring magazines and YouTube channels will be making Supra vs C8 comparisons the second they can get the 2 cars together.