Supra vs C8 Corvette

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I don’t think the MR inherently makes it better. The cayman is good because it’s good.
Lol That doesn't make any sense. So you're the Cayman is good because it has alcantara in the interior, more cargo space, deviated stitching, a manual transmission, nice looking wheels, a nice wing and a very nice gold crest looking thingy on the hood?! :rofl:

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I think he meant that the Cayman is good because it is over all a very good sports(car)

With nice build quality, a great engine, good suspension and so on.
 

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You're only looking at it from a price point perspective. Have you ever driven a mid engine car before? Only reason why I'm asking is b/c a MR car is so much more fun to drive then a FR and if you haven't, I highly recommend it. I'd take a flat six Cayman over the MKV any day of the week primarily for it's MR layout.




Can you elaborate more on the C8 being a home run (I 100% agree it's a home run) and a challenge to work on given you're a Service Mgr at Toyota.
The C8 is a home run because of the styling, performance, features, mid engine layout etc. The quality of the interior materials is light years above even the C7. And the performance per dollar will be off the charts. As far as working on the Supra, the process to work on the car is totally different that any Toyota. You have to use a special Supra only cable for connection to the laptops, and it has special lift requirements. The PDI takes about 3 hours. The car comes off the truck in sleep mode. You have to go through a very lengthy process to get the Supra ready to drive. It is more BMW than Toyota, when it comes to actually working on the car. But the Supra will be so easy to modify cheap, and with the forged internals, there are going to be some killer fast ones running the streets.
 

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I think he meant that the Cayman is good because it is over all a very good sports(car)

With nice build quality, a great engine, good suspension and so on.
Those are all givens since it's a Porsche but it's MR is the primary reason why it's so good. Good enough for Toyota to try and benchmark the MKV after it.

https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/718-cayman

The Cayman's willful chassis and telepathic steering transcend perfection. Credit the Cayman's mid-engine layout and sticky summer tires, which work together to provide the sports coupe with stunning balance and stability on twisty two-lane roads. But it's more than the layout or the tires alone; it's the fine-tuning magic that Porsche's engineers conjure during the development process. The Cayman is a sublime mix of heady handling and a relatively relaxed ride.

The C8 is a home run because of the styling, performance, features, mid engine layout etc. The quality of the interior materials is light years above even the C7. And the performance per dollar will be off the charts. As far as working on the Supra, the process to work on the car is totally different that any Toyota. You have to use a special Supra only cable for connection to the laptops, and it has special lift requirements. The PDI takes about 3 hours. The car comes off the truck in sleep mode. You have to go through a very lengthy process to get the Supra ready to drive. It is more BMW than Toyota, when it comes to actually working on the car. But the Supra will be so easy to modify cheap, and with the forged internals, there are going to be some killer fast ones running the streets.
Chevy's have been known for having very cheap looking and feeling interior and very bland exterior designs. I do agree that the C8 is a huge step from the C7 and glad to see it transition to what we see today.

I've read about the PDI process for the Supra and can you bring the Supra to the BMW dealership?
 

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Those are all givens since it's a Porsche but it's MR is the primary reason why it's so good. Good enough for Toyota to try and benchmark the MKV after it.

https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/718-cayman

The Cayman's willful chassis and telepathic steering transcend perfection. Credit the Cayman's mid-engine layout and sticky summer tires, which work together to provide the sports coupe with stunning balance and stability on twisty two-lane roads. But it's more than the layout or the tires alone; it's the fine-tuning magic that Porsche's engineers conjure during the development process. The Cayman is a sublime mix of heady handling and a relatively relaxed ride.



Chevy's have been known for having very cheap looking and feeling interior and very bland exterior designs. I do agree that the C8 is a huge step from the C7 and glad to see it transition to what we see today.

I've read about the PDI process for the Supra and can you bring the Supra to the BMW dealership?
I bet they could if it was allowed. I have doubts they would let you actually do it, however.

I am sure a BMW specialist shop could work on it.
 

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Those are all givens since it's a Porsche but it's MR is the primary reason why it's so good. Good enough for Toyota to try and benchmark the MKV after it.

https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/718-cayman

The Cayman's willful chassis and telepathic steering transcend perfection. Credit the Cayman's mid-engine layout and sticky summer tires, which work together to provide the sports coupe with stunning balance and stability on twisty two-lane roads. But it's more than the layout or the tires alone; it's the fine-tuning magic that Porsche's engineers conjure during the development process. The Cayman is a sublime mix of heady handling and a relatively relaxed ride.



Chevy's have been known for having very cheap looking and feeling interior and very bland exterior designs. I do agree that the C8 is a huge step from the C7 and glad to see it transition to what we see today.

I've read about the PDI process for the Supra and can you bring the Supra to the BMW dealership?
No.
 

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The Corvette is certainly an amazing machine, and overall a better performance car. I just have never been interested in Corvettes. I would rather have a Camaro than a Vette if I were to buy Chevy. But since I grew up in a Ford family, I would go with a Mustang over a Camaro.

Now here I am though in Toyotas, we have an FJ and a Sienna and I’m sold on most things Toyota.

The only thing that I’m not that excited about with the Supra is the interior, primarily the dash. If you have owned a BMW from about 2013 on, there is a lot there that you’re already familiar with. I would have liked to see a modern iteration of the last Supra’s interior.
 
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You're only looking at it from a price point perspective. Have you ever driven a mid engine car before? Only reason why I'm asking is b/c a MR car is so much more fun to drive then a FR and if you haven't, I highly recommend it. I'd take a flat six Cayman over the MKV any day of the week primarily for it's MR layout.
I’ve driven a Cayman Gt4 in some canyons and that car feels amazing. Also drove a gallardo on street and autoX but that car is in a league of its own. The C8 is in a league of its own it’s true but I think Supra will be discounted to $50k after the C8 comes out.

Time will tell, my mind has changed a bit since my post, seeing the C8 more the looks are growing on me, I also drove a V8 M850i the other day and it was so much fun. I’m gonna wait at least a year no matter what

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Very true and since you've mentioned Porsche, that's exactly what comes to mind. IMO, it's a great thing to have individual items that you can add or delete and gives the buyer much more flexibility when building their car. I would have loved to have the Aero Kit, X-51 kit, Sport Chrono, Paint To Sample on my 911 but that's what makes Porsche that much more special as an "Exclusive Manufaktur".

In comparison to the packages/trim level that you have to upgrade in order to get that specific item with the Supra. Some owners may only want one item but are forced to pay for the other items since it's based on the trim level.
This shouldn't be a surprise. This is how Japanise car companies work. They prefer to sell trim levels instead of individual options. I find this a negative because I prefer to build a car "German style" where I can pick and choose individual options. To me, this is clearly the best way to get exactly what I want, and nothing I do not. Who really argues against choice?

However, I do see the appeal of the package approach for manufacturers... Less complexity. Pick a trim level and color and GTFO. This simplistic approach is also a benefit to the used car buyer, as it is very easy to determine what features a used vehicle contains. As someone who's constantly trolling the CPO Porsche market, it is tricky to find the feature mix you want.
 

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This guy just did the review on the MKV and now the honeymoon is over, reality sinks in. He makes some valid points with long term ownership, depreciation, attracting young and non-Corvette buyers.

 

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This shouldn't be a surprise. This is how Japanise car companies work. They prefer to sell trim levels instead of individual options. I find this a negative because I prefer to build a car "German style" where I can pick and choose individual options. To me, this is clearly the best way to get exactly what I want, and nothing I do not. Who really argues against choice?
Only in the US. In Japan people get to build their cars and some of them wait up to 6 months to take delivery.
 

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What do you think about the trans and diff setup in the c8. Looks like the diff is in the transmission. So if the diff grenades so does the trans. Food for thought.
 

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This shouldn't be a surprise. This is how Japanise car companies work. They prefer to sell trim levels instead of individual options. I find this a negative because I prefer to build a car "German style" where I can pick and choose individual options. To me, this is clearly the best way to get exactly what I want, and nothing I do not. Who really argues against choice?
People who buy new cars off the lot or any used car buyer. Individual options only works for people that custom order their new car. Anyone after that will have to compromise. I’ve never been able to find a new in stock Porsche exactly how I would want it.
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