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But why? I love driving manual as much as anyone else, but the automatic in the Supra really is the best automatic I’ve ever driven. It’s essentialy just a more predictable DCT.


Auto/DCT are equally worthless to me in terms of personal ownership interest. I have my requirements and a manual trans is one of them. I've owned dozens of sports/performance cars over the years and despite 'trying' several automatics, each has only reaffirmed that it's just not my thing --- regardless of how fast it is, I just get bored and eventually sell. The latest casualty being a 2013 CTS-V that I bought as an airport commuter. Even after a stepping off a cross-continental redeye I still wasn't content with only 2 pedals.

If I could stomach an auto, I would have bought an R35 GT-R a long time ago.
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Auto/DCT are equally worthless to me in terms of personal ownership interest. I have my requirements and a manual trans is one of them. I've owned dozens of sports/performance cars over the years and despite 'trying' several automatics, each has only reaffirmed that it's just not my thing --- regardless of how fast it is, I just get bored and eventually sell. The latest casualty being a 2013 CTS-V that I bought as an airport commuter. Even after a stepping off a cross-continental redeye I still wasn't content with only 2 pedals.

If I could stomach an auto, I would have bought an R35 GT-R a long time ago.
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Auto/DCT are equally worthless to me in terms of personal ownership interest. I have my requirements and a manual trans is one of them. I've owned dozens of sports/performance cars over the years and despite 'trying' several automatics, each has only reaffirmed that it's just not my thing --- regardless of how fast it is, I just get bored and eventually sell. The latest casualty being a 2013 CTS-V that I bought as an airport commuter. Even after a stepping off a cross-continental redeye I still wasn't content with only 2 pedals.

If I could stomach an auto, I would have bought an R35 GT-R a long time ago.
As someone who owned a gtr, I 100% agree with this. Great car and easy to drive but got quite boring... currently all my cars are manuals. Will opt for another manual on my next purchase (waiting out the supra to see what happens long term)
 

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But why? I love driving manual as much as anyone else, but the automatic in the Supra really is the best automatic I’ve ever driven. It’s essentialy just a more predictable DCT.
I know I have mentioned this before, but the B58/ZF8 combination in the Supra feels like what you will experience in a garden variety BMW M40i model. It is a great automatic and I love it in my daily driver, but it's not what I'd want in a sports car.

That is a personal thing for me, because sports cars fill a particular role in my garage and my life. When weather/traffic/schedule aligns and it's time to break out the sports car, I really want to experience the driver involvement only a manual can offer.

I don't happen to like DCTs either, but they are definitely a step above an automatic and would have elevated the Supra in my opinion. But they also cost a lot more $$.
 

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Auto/DCT are equally worthless to me in terms of personal ownership interest. I have my requirements and a manual trans is one of them. I've owned dozens of sports/performance cars over the years and despite 'trying' several automatics, each has only reaffirmed that it's just not my thing --- regardless of how fast it is, I just get bored and eventually sell. The latest casualty being a 2013 CTS-V that I bought as an airport commuter. Even after a stepping off a cross-continental redeye I still wasn't content with only 2 pedals.

If I could stomach an auto, I would have bought an R35 GT-R a long time ago.

No C8 in the upcoming future then?
 

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No C8 in the upcoming future then?

I think GM will relent on the no manual thing in the future. Word around the camp fire is they are working on some seriously badass stuff behind the scenes, so excited to see this platform develop.

Ownership-wise, I tend stay a generation behind on Corvette (though the C8 could sway that). Right now I'm patiently waiting for the right C7 ZR1 M7 to depreciate into view. :coffee:
 

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I think GM will relent on the no manual thing in the future. Word around the camp fire is they are working on some seriously badass stuff behind the scenes, so excited to see this platform develop.

Ownership-wise, I tend stay a generation behind on Corvette (though the C8 could sway that). Right now I'm patiently waiting for the right C7 ZR1 M7 to depreciate into view. :coffee:
This one was flat out denied by Tadge Juetcher because of the structural limitations of the C8 platform.
 

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100% willing to pay a premium for a MT... The only way I would buy this car.. I luv it, but am waiting for MT
 

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This one was flat out denied by Tadge Juetcher because of the structural limitations of the C8 platform.

My interpretation of his statement is that limitation is present in the v1 base C8 chassis. The C5 and C6 Z06 chassis was entirely new vs. the base counterpart, so that precedence exists. This is purely assumption, but is based on how previous generations evolved. Frankly I find it extremely hard to believe there will never been another manual Corvette again. However, if by some crazy reason it holds true, it absolutely signifies the manual trans extinction level event is upon us....
 

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This one was flat out denied by Tadge Juetcher because of the structural limitations of the C8 platform.
The way I heard him was that it was undesirable to punch a hole in the tunnel structure for a MT shifter (the way they have done previously on C7, etc). It hurts some of the structural advantages of the central tunnel. But clearly it's been done before, perhaps with a slight weight penalty for additional stiffening. It could be done, it's just not ideal.

The odd thing to me is why they would keep using a central tunnel if it's a mid-engine RWD car. There is zero need for a central tunnel from a systems standpoint. Sure, it adds a lot of stiffness, but that can be obtained other ways (and I don't buy the argument that it would make the door jambs too wide for geriatric Corvette buyers if the structure was down the sides). I find it somewhat conspicuous that they kept the central tunnel on the C8.

I wonder if down the road we'll see the tunnel used for something mechanical, like a drive shaft, electric motor system, AWD, etc. Let's think long term, about the possibilities that would require a tunnel.
 

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Now, this is just WHAT IF questions, but bare w me.

What if Toyota do bring MT for Supra. BUT it'll be released only on highest model for limited amount (1:5 or 1:10 ratio compared to AT). What it mean is, only way to get MT is, to buy 3.0 Premium model and base model on comes w AT. Are you willing to pay extra cash (roughly $4k compare to Base vs Premium) to get MT.

Also to the owners who own Supra (new model, of course), if I can get some feedback as well. Do you feel, you still want MT or AT? Is AT good enough for this car?

Now, this is a what if and feedback thread... but more feedback I can get is better..

Thanks
Whats the point? Its never going to happen.
 
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Whats the point? Its never going to happen.
Point? Point is to hear fans and owners feedback and give it to Tada-san. Just like wind buffeting issue, I've forward that issue and he felt that it was same or better than other sports cars. I've pushed more about wind buffeting issue after hearing more owners are saying the same thing, so now he & his team is looking into the wind buffeting issue (so he claims). I don't have any power to change the trans fate of Supra... but I've been bless enough to chat with Tada-san more often than a lot of ppl here (exception to A70), so would like to benefit both fans and Tada-san by sharing owner's feedback to Tada-san to update it to make things better.

If you feel there's no point then, that's your lost and you're more than welcome to ignore this thread in general.
 

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I think it's great that he is willing to listen to feedback and that you are forwarding such. When you are in a position such as the one he is in, you are generally very disconnected from the populace both intentionally (mentally exhausting to read through it all) and unintentionally (busy as all hell).

So regardless if anything happens as a result, it's good that he has eyes on what folks are saying. The wind buffeting issue is definitely one I'm glad he heard about and claims to be investigating (the issue there is whether folks are reporting anything to dealer service; everything is statistics, especially when you consider the cost to fix something).
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