Supra vs C8 Corvette

DesmoSD · Sep 17, 2019

Supra Dupra said:
It’s hard to describe but the front of it just has so many lines and creases and there’s a lot going on. The back had looked okay in pictures (I hadn’t been a fan of the styling since I first saw it as it looked Camaro-ish) but after seeing it in person the back end (especially the spoiler) almost looked cheap in real life. I didn’t really get to see the interior (as it was in a parking lot and not a show room and I didn’t want to look like a burglar / weirdo peeking into someone’s vehicle) so I can really only speak to the outside of the vehicle; from pictures the interior looks really nice, although after seeing the back end of the car I’m afraid that lower trims of it would suffer the same cheap look on the interior if they’re not real leather and are plastic or something else instead.

Ah ok. I've already kept reminding myself, "it's a Chevy... it's a Chevy... it's a Chevy" so I wouldn't set myself up for disappointment when I see it in person. The back does look very Camaro and I'm not a fan of the spoiler and square tailpipes. To me, those tips scream, PepBoys special. The interior does look more refined then previous Corvettes, which I'm very impressed with. However, in the leaked interior photos, I did see some odd gaps and quality issue red flags. I'm not sure if it was pre-production/rushed job or actually "it's a Chevy..."

Overall, I do like the C8 and what it delivers to the consumer for the price. I think the Z06 is going to be even more interesting so I'm patiently waiting to see that.

dvq said:
You missed your chance unfortunately, all the socal showings were in July and August and there were a ton of them. The only ones left are NorCal. You'll likely have to wait until your dealers have one for a minute.

Yeah, the was only 1 showing in SD at Bob Stall Chevrolet and it was some some odd time, Sun and Mon, 8am to 11 or something like that. The rest went up to OC/LA areas. As you mentioned, I do like how much more relaxed Chevy dealerships are with the C8 compared to Toyota dealerships.

Craigy · Sep 17, 2019

Yeah my biggest complaint about the Corvette is that it's a chevy. :puke:

After owning a bmw though, I have to say I'm not quite as concerned with chevy ownership, especially under warranty. My M3 was a great car, but I feel like every 6mos or so there was some fault on the screen and some sensor that needed replacement. Nothing expensive but it sort of stole the romance after awhile.

I personally like almost every angle except the taillights. Too corporate chevy, too camaro, etc. And even that prejudice is fading with time. That was probably my biggest 'problem' with the C7, the camaro/kiss fan taillights, and the C8 is miles better in that regard.

The wheel selection leaves a little to be desired... despite that I'm paying an extra $995 to have the base wheels in black. I'm sure 2021 will have some better wheel options, as historically corvette has had some decent wheels to choose from. At the very least hopefully by the time Z06 hits.

I still haven't seen a car in person, but the real pictures look much, much better than the configurator pics that flooded the internet for some time. By the time one of the events makes it anywhere near me, my car will probably already be built, or at least too late to change the order.

supraboi · Sep 23, 2019

justbake · Oct 3, 2019

Looks like the C8 will have fake engine noise too.

Supra Dupra · Oct 3, 2019

justbake said:
Looks like the C8 will have fake engine noise too.

Wha......?

Bryster · Oct 4, 2019

justbake said:
Looks like the C8 will have fake engine noise too.

remember when the Supra got heat for this? Next you'll tell me that the C8 has V4 mode

justbake · Oct 4, 2019

Bryster said:
remember when the Supra got heat for this? Next you'll tell me that the C8 has V4 mode

The corvette won't catch any flak for it because they actually know how to market a car by coming out guns blazing instead of saying "we may give you all what if you buy the model you don't want first"

YungMercureal · Oct 4, 2019

justbake said:
The corvette won't catch any flak for it because they actually know how to market a car by coming out guns blazing instead of saying "we may give you all what if you buy the model you don't want first"

I would argue that Chevy does not know how to market, granted, Chevy doesn't really need to market the new Corvette well, because I'm sure there's plenty enough people who will buy it.. Saying that a car is "under 60k" when the out the door price will be above 60k is sleazy imo. On top of that, how many dealerships are going to have base models lying around with absolutely not a single option or dealer add-ons? You also have to consider that the Corvette has been consistently in production for many years and they have a clear progression of trim levels each generation (Base/Stringray>Grand Sport>Z06>ZR1). The MkV Supra is more or less a brand new launch and has no precedent set.

Whether we like it or not, Toyota isn't going to release details about higher trim Supras until they sell the majority of their current run. I'm not defending Toyota for how they handled the new Supra launch/marketing, but if you want to wait to see if Toyota makes more trim levels of the MkV, be my guest.

The C8 will probably be great value for a mid-engine car, but let's all stop acting like Chevy are some sort of automotive gods for it. Plus if Chevy is so good at marketing, then why does the Mustang beat the Camaro in sales, despite most people saying that the Camaro is a better performing car?

justbake · Oct 4, 2019

YungMercureal said:
I would argue that Chevy does not know how to market, granted, Chevy doesn't really need to market the new Corvette well, because I'm sure there's plenty enough people who will buy it.. Saying that a car is "under 60k" when the out the door price will be above 60k is sleazy imo. On top of that, how many dealerships are going to have base models lying around with absolutely not a single option or dealer add-ons? You also have to consider that the Corvette has been consistently in production for many years and they have a clear progression of trim levels each generation (Base/Stringray>Grand Sport>Z06>ZR1). The MkV Supra is more or less a brand new launch and has no precedent set.

Whether we like it or not, Toyota isn't going to release details about higher trim Supras until they sell the majority of their current run. I'm not defending Toyota for how they handled the new Supra launch/marketing, but if you want to wait to see if Toyota makes more trim levels of the MkV, be my guest.

The C8 will probably be great value for a mid-engine car, but let's all stop acting like Chevy are some sort of automotive gods for it. Plus if Chevy is so good at marketing, then why does the Mustang beat the Camaro in sales, despite most people saying that the Camaro is a better performing car?

But their marketing gets people in the door. Toyota saying things "more than 300hp" and "it will not be a cheap car" are incredibly lackluster statements for a car with this amount of hype. This truly doesn't bother me because numbers don't mean anything at the end of the day, but they failed to give the general public something to be interested in other than the Supra name.

That isn't sleazy at all, anyone who has purchased a car before knows what a base price is and how options and sales tax work.

Okay I will?

Youre saying this as if I am pro-corvette anti-supra instead of making note that people are less critical when their initial impressions are positive.

Supra Dupra · Oct 4, 2019

I think that the most damaging comment about the new Supra that backfired was Akio Toyoda's "it's totally lit" remark.

YungMercureal · Oct 4, 2019

justbake said:
But their marketing gets people in the door. Toyota saying things "more than 300hp" and "it will not be a cheap car" are incredibly lackluster statements for a car with this amount of hype. This truly doesn't bother me because numbers don't mean anything at the end of the day, but they failed to give the general public something to be interested in other than the Supra name.

That isn't sleazy at all, anyone who has purchased a car before knows what a base price is and how options and sales tax work.

Okay I will?

Youre saying this as if I am pro-corvette anti-supra instead of making note that people are less critical when their initial impressions are positive.

I'm not saying it towards only you, I'm saying it as someone who doesn't really care what manufacturers say or do for their marketing. Especially in sports cars, most people are going to be educated buyers and will do their own research and have an idea of what they want. You've clearly done research yourself, which is a smart move, and you are probably set in stone as to what you're looking for on your purchase. I am well aware that most people know MSRP vs. out-the-door cost, but as I said, I personally hate marketing and advertising, so it bothers me more than most people when companies say something that is "technically true" but doesn't translate to the actual real-life situation. That type of marketing is what started some people on the Supra bashing train, not realizing that the C8 is going to be well into the 60s and 70s.

My only actual critique of your post was that I think it's a bit unfair to expect Toyota to have a fully defined roadmap for a car that they are in a joint-venture with and especially when they're still probably trying to determine whether it's worth the cost to produce. Chevy already has a formula they follow for every Corvette because it's been in production year after year and they have an established buyer market and the undeniable hype of an "affordable" mid-engine car is only going to help sell. They don't have to really "prove" themselves in their situation.

I am not anti-Corvette, but I've never really been a fan of GM styling. Aesthetics were arguably just as important to me as raw performance and was part of the reason I bought a Supra over a Camaro or Mustang. My comments on Chevy's marketing aren't directed towards you, but I felt that it's unfair to say that Chevy is doing a significantly better job than Toyota. I largely agree with you in regards to Toyota's handling of the Supra, but the MkV's problem isn't really the marketing imo, it's simply the public opinion that it had to overcome the instant that Toyota confirmed they were reviving it. I honestly think that even if it had a manual, or if it was a Toyota built chassis, people would still find a reason to say it's bad or that the C8 is better.

TL;DR Marketing/advertising is mostly garbage imo and people who buy sports cars usually buy what they want, sometimes for random reasons, and that's ok. I think the Supra is a good car regardless of the legacy, and I think the C8 will probably be good too.

justbake · Oct 4, 2019

YungMercureal said:
I'm not saying it towards only you, I'm saying it as someone who doesn't really care what manufacturers say or do for their marketing. Especially in sports cars, most people are going to be educated buyers and will do their own research and have an idea of what they want. You've clearly done research yourself, which is a smart move, and you are probably set in stone as to what you're looking for on your purchase. I am well aware that most people know MSRP vs. out-the-door cost, but as I said, I personally hate marketing and advertising, so it bothers me more than most people when companies say something that is "technically true" but doesn't translate to the actual real-life situation. That type of marketing is what started some people on the Supra bashing train, not realizing that the C8 is going to be well into the 60s and 70s.

My only actual critique of your post was that I think it's a bit unfair to expect Toyota to have a fully defined roadmap for a car that they are in a joint-venture with and especially when they're still probably trying to determine whether it's worth the cost to produce. Chevy already has a formula they follow for every Corvette because it's been in production year after year and they have an established buyer market and the undeniable hype of an "affordable" mid-engine car is only going to help sell. They don't have to really "prove" themselves in their situation.

I am not anti-Corvette, but I've never really been a fan of GM styling. Aesthetics were arguably just as important to me as raw performance and was part of the reason I bought a Supra over a Camaro or Mustang. My comments on Chevy's marketing aren't directed towards you, but I felt that it's unfair to say that Chevy is doing a significantly better job than Toyota. I largely agree with you in regards to Toyota's handling of the Supra, but the MkV's problem isn't really the marketing imo, it's simply the public opinion that it had to overcome the instant that Toyota confirmed they were reviving it. I honestly think that even if it had a manual, or if it was a Toyota built chassis, people would still find a reason to say it's bad or that the C8 is better.

TL;DR Marketing/advertising is mostly garbage imo and people who buy sports cars usually buy what they want, sometimes for random reasons, and that's ok. I think the Supra is a good car regardless of the legacy, and I think the C8 will probably be good too.

Of course Toyota isn't going to tell us their roadmap. I just think the "if there is enough demand" statement is a development cop-out. If we buy the base model it says that we are fine with the base model, and if we don't it says there wasn't enough demand to build the model we wanted in the first place.

Bryster · Oct 5, 2019

Supra Dupra said:
I think that the most damaging comment about the new Supra that backfired was Akio Toyoda's "it's totally lit" remark.

That made me laugh so hard when he said that

CarGuy11 · Oct 6, 2019

My walk around of the C8.

CJ- · Oct 6, 2019

Not the most flattering angle of the C8

Supra vs C8 Corvette

Which would you rather have

C8

Supra

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