Consumer focus groups/surveys/feedbacks for new Supra?

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The V160 matters for two reasons that are intertwined: keeping the car original and keeping value high in doing so.

That said, the other stuff (consumables) should come first.
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The V160 matters for two reasons that are intertwined: keeping the car original and keeping value high in doing so.

That said, the other stuff (consumables) should come first.

A heritage program with targeted parts in keeping one's supra value high isn't the reason to bring back certain parts. Keeping the car original i can agree with but there are alternatives at the end of the day and you cannot realistically expect Toyota to just start manufacturing everything. Again, their are reasonable alternatives.

If someone gets their quarter windows or side windows damaged, you wont be calling Toyota or even Safelite to get those replaced as they aren't in production. You pop your tranny, you have options.
 

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That's an opinion and you're welcome to it, but I disagree with the logic.

It's great that there are options, but I've kept my A70s all R154 and would be very unhappy if they were discontinued (eventually they will be) as I prefer the originality and not throwing in aftermarket adapters for other transmissions.

In that regard I am a purist.


Still, as I said, it shouldnt be the priority over the other stuff.
 

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That's an opinion and you're welcome to it, but I disagree with the logic.

It's great that there are options, but I've kept my A70s all R154 and would be very unhappy if they were discontinued (eventually they will be) as I prefer the originality and not throwing in aftermarket adapters for other transmissions.

In that regard I am a purist.


Still, as I said, it shouldnt be the priority over the other stuff.
So if you pop your tranny and cannot find replacement parts you are ok with never driving it again? No attacking, just curious of your level of purist.
 

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Couldn't disagree more. The aftermarket has already begun to pick up the void left with the v160 in new manufactured parts from Jacks transmission and Granna's Racing with his bolt on 6-speed that is just as stout as the v160; same with the diff. Plenty of gte's floating around that one can purchase and build to stronger than oem spec.....Big ticket items like that have alternatives through the aftermarket companies. Though having a brand new Toyota v160, gte, diff etc... would be nice, there are appropriate alternatives.

If a mkiv supra owner needs discontinued rear quarter windows, discontinued side windows, discontinued trim/molding, discontinued electrical components (i.e. odometers),discontinued door lock mechanisms, etc....where is he/she to go for those? Ebay to hope and pray a part comes up soon?

All items to keep the mkiv supra running and looking as new as possible that the aftermarket has not provided appropriate options for should be at the top of all mkiv supra owners lists. Anything else after that like new v160s, diffs, lsds, etc... would just be bonuses.
There are alternatives but for a purist who wants to a legitimate v160 and nonvvti you are paying a hefty price tag. Jacks and Granna have done a fantastic job with the trans, but some people who want an MKIV want an oem spec instead of T56, R514, etc.

The trim, molding, electrical etc. I completely agree. I actually did state those parts and dash parts. I know I would've liked a new odometer. I actually didn't know about the supra glass. I figured you could go to a glass specialty shop to source if none available.

The reason why I said GTE nonvvti and V160 is due to the fact they are an anomaly as they aren't confined to just Supra. Big risk on their end, but i see it as an opportunity to jump start the program. The profits could help fund other parts.
 

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So if you pop your tranny and cannot find replacement parts you are ok with never driving it again? No attacking, just curious of your level of purist.
I said I'd be very unhappy.

It would likely mean I'd have to look to Grannas or Cd009 as potential options, but I'd much rather have the option of using original equipment.
 

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There are alternatives but for a purist who wants to a legitimate v160 and nonvvti you are paying a hefty price tag. Jacks and Granna have done a fantastic job with the trans, but some people who want an MKIV want an oem spec instead of T56, R514, etc.

The trim, molding, electrical etc. I completely agree. I actually did state those parts and dash parts. I know I would've liked a new odometer. I actually didn't know about the supra glass. I figured you could go to a glass specialty shop to source if none available.

The reason why I said GTE nonvvti and V160 is due to the fact they are an anomaly as they aren't confined to just Supra. Big risk on their end, but i see it as an opportunity to jump start the program. The profits could help fund other parts.

I can see why a purist would want certain parts, but I have yet to meet a purist that hasn't changed their tune once they realize they cannot reasonably afford to continue to be a purist or they are looking down the barrel of never driving there car again if they don't go aftermarket. Its the option of having an aftermarket alternative that should bring the value of certain parts down on most peoples list unless you are a to the death purist.

Sounds like we all agree what's most important and should be at the top of lists for most people. I hope this heritage program does get off the ground and surprises everyone with the options.

And yes, I thought the same thing about the glass as well. No glass companies have quarter windows or side windows in stock (this includes the big one like Safelite; they do have aftermarket front windshields but that's all). As a matter of fact, I believe I purchased the last two sets of quarter windows and side windows in the country. I have them in storage as a "just in case."
 

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A heritage program with targeted parts in keeping one's supra value high isn't the reason to bring back certain parts. Keeping the car original i can agree with but there are alternatives at the end of the day and you cannot realistically expect Toyota to just start manufacturing everything. Again, their are reasonable alternatives.

If someone gets their quarter windows or side windows damaged, you wont be calling Toyota or even Safelite to get those replaced as they aren't in production. You pop your tranny, you have options.

Lets say you have a broken rear panel glass, odometer doesnt work, but you have a v160 and GTE. You go to sell and most people will be okay with those faults. They will play the ebay game.

Now you don't have those issues, but your trans blew up and you swapped a T56. A Supra buyer would pass because its not the v160. The ones paying the big bucks and buyers want as close to oem as possible. They can ignore the "smaller" flaws.

I hear you but Supra owners have the heavy modified side and the extreme purist side. I fall under the purist side. When i sold my MKIV the new owner actually took it to Grannas and completely molested it's "OEMness" :eek: We def are all in an agreement though
 

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I understand both sides of this argument, but ultimately it shouldn't even have to be a this or that situation...

Unfortunately, I see Toyota making a short few runs of this stuff for PR and then canning it because they know off the bat that this isn't gonna make them money.
 

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Lets say you have a broken rear panel glass, odometer doesnt work, but you have a v160 and GTE. You go to sell and most people will be okay with those faults. They will play the ebay game.

Now you don't have those issues, but your trans blew up and you swapped a T56. A Supra buyer would pass because its not the v160. The ones paying the big bucks and buyers want as close to oem as possible. They can ignore the "smaller" flaws.

I hear you but Supra owners have the heavy modified side and the extreme purist side. I fall under the purist side. When i sold my MKIV the new owner actually took it to Grannas and completely molested it's "OEMness" :eek: We def are all in an agreement though
IMO, a heritage program should be established to keep the cars on the road running and looking as new as possible for future generations to enjoy and see what one of these cars would have looked like new in the 90's and not just about keeping the cars as pure as the day they came out of the factory.

True purists wanting the most expensive parts wont be driving the financial viability of this heritage program. Why buy a new v160 when you just dropped 80k on a ultra low mileage all original tt supra? It will be the regular supra enthusiasts that want to drive their cars and not have missing or broken molding, glass, trim, etc....that will be ordering the majority of parts. Stuff like that is cheaper to manufacture and easier to swallow for the average enthusiast when it comes to costs.

Contrary to popular belief, a lot of mkiv supra owners have owned their cars for years and if the current supra price market was in effect many years ago, a lot of the current supra owners wouldn't be able to afford them now. So the big baller purists paying the big bucks aren't the owners I'm personally thinking of when it comes to what should be on the list of heritage parts.

But, if they offer a new v160, I'll take a rebuilt one by Jack's for cheaper than new :D
 

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The cost for a MKIV now i wouldn't buy one. Im glad i got in when they were semi reasonable. The heritage should be for those who drive them, but the cost of entry for a Supra is pretty ridiculous. The other stuff is easier to swallow in terms of cost, but i hope with this programs proper rebuilds do happen for the LHDs. Do you think they will support RHD's because a LHD is really a dime a dozen now.
 

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not sure I'd refer to any A80s as a dime a dozen, but def not LHD if anything.

In any case, this program was born in Japan and they debated on not even doing it abroad, but thankfully looks like they're coming around.
 

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Need to find a way to get that survey out to more people...
pleasw get it to me! Current mkiv supra owner...

there are def some parts I would love to get. Although I have an entire seal/trim/glass set bnib in my basement from 4 years ago so I can start my resto. Glad I got it then because it’s impossible to find lots of the peices now.

but what I would do for new electrical harness (interior and engine and chassis) would upset some people lol.
 

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pleasw get it to me! Current mkiv supra owner...

there are def some parts I would love to get. Although I have an entire seal/trim/glass set bnib in my basement from 4 years ago so I can start my resto. Glad I got it then because it’s impossible to find lots of the peices now.

but what I would do for new electrical harness (interior and engine and chassis) would upset some people lol.
I hope the survey makes it to current MKIV owners. The r23 heritage program definitely has harnesses and a lot of mechanical parts. But from what see no cosmetic parts other than fenders and bumpers. Let's just pray Toyota makes the right play
 

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I'm curious... if the ideal case scenario for Toyota is to make money from this Heritage Parts Program (which of course they would prefer as an incentive to keep doing this) then will sales of these parts be limited only to MKIII and MKIV owners providing a VIN number or can anyone order these parts?

If these will be super limited run parts then I would be inclined to guess you'll have to provide a valid A70 or A80 VIN to qualify.

I have no idea how Nissan and Mazda area handling their respective Heritage Parts programs in this regard for the R32/33/34 and 1st gen Miatas.
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