Papadakis Racing 1000 HP Supra Engine Dyno Run!

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1000hp is ALOT of power for a car weighing ~3300lbs. Why anyone would need more than that for the streets is beyond me. Nonetheless, still badass!

I still want a manual please...:cool:
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Big props to Papadakis. With regards to the whole the tuner scene, it was nowhere near what it is today as it was in the 90s... 4-5 years then, is what 6-12 months is by today's standards with the rapid advancements in technology. Just like 2000hp is the new 1000hp and 1000hp is the new 500hp at TX2K, FL2K, etc. It's all relative to the time period. Is 1000hp in 6 months impressive - yes, just like 1000hp in 5 years was in the 90s. Either way, really looking forward to seeing the stock limits of the B58 motor and it's reliability as time goes on.
Except this wasnā€™t 1000hp in 6 months, this is 800-900hp in 4 years while not utilizing any of the technology of the 21st century. Instead of shining light to the B58, it only promotes Papadakis Racing which could probably achieve 1000bhp with any modern 6+ cylinder engine given the time and resources allotted to this build.

Like I said earlier Iā€™m not taking any credit away from Papadakis Racing, in fact, Iā€™m giving them all the credit here, but with the caveat of none of the credit being given to the motor
 

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It's a fair point - given very few will go full aftermarket management (CANBUS integration nightmare) and retain the direct injection, VANOS and HPFP... it's kind of a baseline for the B58 architecture only

Again, I'm just glad that the headifold hasn't been too much of an issue. Would be interesting to see continued runs/use to monitor the heat though
 

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That's pretty awesome. I'm not surprised that the B58 can make 1000hp, I'm more surprised on how fast it all came together.

The moral of the story, it's good to know people in the right places AND live in SoCal. SP was on a mission.
 

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That's pretty awesome. I'm not surprised that the B58 can make 1000hp, I'm more surprised on how fast it all came together.

The moral of the story, it's good to know people in the right places AND live in SoCal. SP was on a mission.
Yeah he was...lol. The excitement in his voice on that last dyno run said it all.
 

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Nice, super happy for them. we've already known the Stock block and crank will sustain 1k. just the stock rods and pistons wont. So i guess the race now is 1k on an actual B58 that remains a B58. IE- direct injection, factory ecu and etc.

For those wondering what the stock b58 will do. We plan on going the distance in a week or so. Installing a EFR9280 on our shop car. And sending it to the moon. Just fuel and turbo.
 

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Except this wasnā€™t 1000hp in 6 months, this is 800-900hp in 4 years while not utilizing any of the technology of the 21st century. Instead of shining light to the B58, it only promotes Papadakis Racing which could probably achieve 1000bhp with any modern 6+ cylinder engine given the time and resources allotted to this build.

Like I said earlier Iā€™m not taking any credit away from Papadakis Racing, in fact, Iā€™m giving them all the credit here, but with the caveat of none of the credit being given to the motor
"Except this wasnā€™t 1000hp in 6 months, this is 800-900hp in 4 years while not utilizing any of the technology of the 21st century."

Damn, I can't wait for justbake to put his hands on the B58. IT WILL BE EPIC. 21st century even...
 

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"Except this wasnā€™t 1000hp in 6 months, this is 800-900hp in 4 years while not utilizing any of the technology of the 21st century."

Damn, I can't wait for justbake to put his hands on the B58. IT WILL BE EPIC. 21st century even...
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It's cool because it's new, they were determined to be first, and pulled together all of those extraordinary resources together to make it happen --- and succeeded. Congrats on the accomplishment to all involved. This is purely a testament to Papadakis Racing's ability to successfully plan the work and work the plan. :bow:

The bone has been thrown... So, now that we have "1000HP" out of a B58 (with a long list of asterisks) out of the way, perhaps it's time to be more pragmatic about what has been achieved and next steps..

All of the previous "1000HP" discussions, arguments, whatever were in the context of the OEM components. Once you upgrade the rods and pistons the sky is basically the limit in terms power-holding capabilities. The integrity of the OEM crank and block has never been a practical concern so the results are... ..formulaic.. Further, port injection, standalone EMS, good Ethanol fuel, A2A IC, custom intake manifold, 74mm newest-tech turbo (more thoughts on that below) pumping 42psi, and to achieve 1000HP at the crank they had to drop the ambient temp of the dyno room. All of the practical bottlenecks aside from the cylinder head have been mitigated and they still had to lean on it pretty hard to make 4-digits in a controlled environment. Regrettably they don't get into any of the IAT, ignition timing, AFR details.
  • My assumption is the the cylinder head is by far the biggest limiting factor at this point; I would have liked to see a pull to say 8000RPM or higher to see where the TQ really nosedives. As such, I think a 1000+ WHP in a running/driving car is still a ways off.
  • EFR9280 is not a great match (for the goal) but it's the largest currently available so that's what they're stuck with. As with other EFR's I've had some experience with, in a single application they don't do well on larger cube and high pressure ratios (relative to competitors) and this one is no exception. Considering in PTE nomenclature it's a 7480, the numbers are underwhelming relative to the compressor/turbine dimensions.
FWIW, I've made more power at the wheels with a smaller turbo, less boost with a much fatter powerband on a 2JZ. :thumbsup:

As for the 'it took x years for the 2JZ to make 1000HP'... The turbo tech (especially), fuel tech and EMS systems in less than a decade have come lightyears. 20 years ago to make 1000HP on a small motor it took massive, lazy turbos that needed to rev to moon to stay on boil. No off the shelf EMS so multiple piggybacks on the re-chipped OEM ECU were the only options, etc.. That was essentially the stoneage in terms of technology compared what has been made available off the shelf today. Funny how the contextual history is casually disregarded in attempts to make a point to the uninitiated.. :coffee:
 

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It's cool because it's new, they were determined to be first, and pulled together all of those extraordinary resources together to make it happen --- and succeeded. Congrats on the accomplishment to all involved. This is purely a testament to Papadakis Racing's ability to successfully plan the work and work the plan. :bow:

The bone has been thrown... So, now that we have "1000HP" out of a B58 (with a long list of asterisks) out of the way, perhaps it's time to be more pragmatic about what has been achieved and next steps..

All of the previous "1000HP" discussions, arguments, whatever were in the context of the OEM components. Once you upgrade the rods and pistons the sky is basically the limit in terms power-holding capabilities. The integrity of the OEM crank and block has never been a practical concern so the results are... ..formulaic.. Further, port injection, standalone EMS, good Ethanol fuel, A2A IC, custom intake manifold, 74mm newest-tech turbo (more thoughts on that below) pumping 42psi, and to achieve 1000HP at the crank they had to drop the ambient temp of the dyno room. All of the practical bottlenecks aside from the cylinder head have been mitigated and they still had to lean on it pretty hard to make 4-digits in a controlled environment. Regrettably they don't get into any of the IAT, ignition timing, AFR details.
  • My assumption is the the cylinder head is by far the biggest limiting factor at this point; I would have liked to see a pull to say 8000RPM or higher to see where the TQ really nosedives. As such, I think a 1000+ WHP in a running/driving car is still a ways off.
  • EFR9280 is not a great match (for the goal) but it's the largest currently available so that's what they're stuck with. As with other EFR's I've had some experience with, in a single application they don't do well on larger cube and high pressure ratios (relative to competitors) and this one is no exception. Considering in PTE nomenclature it's a 7480, the numbers are underwhelming relative to the compressor/turbine dimensions.
FWIW, I've made more power at the wheels with a smaller turbo, less boost with a much fatter powerband on a 2JZ. :thumbsup:

As for the 'it took x years for the 2JZ to make 1000HP'... The turbo tech (especially), fuel tech and EMS systems in less than a decade have come lightyears. 20 years ago to make 1000HP on a small motor it took massive, lazy turbos that needed to rev to moon to stay on boil. No off the shelf EMS so multiple piggybacks on the re-chipped OEM ECU were the only options, etc.. That was essentially the stoneage in terms of technology compared what has been made available off the shelf today. Funny how the contextual history is casually disregarded in attempts to make a point to the uninitiated.. :coffee:


There is a lot that's not discussed in the video. One big thing is did they even mess with vanos and valvetronic. I cant remember if they kept either or dumped it like the Direct injection. But I don't feel like going to look for it to see if they did, lol.

We also don't know like you said if they even had timing optimal for this engine as it wasn't mentioned. honestly, by the looks of it, they just kept turning up the boost until they the magic number. But that's just speculation of course. And that engine could very well have other issues after melting the DI injector(s).
 

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The Grammarly license must have expired. :rolleyes:;)
 

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There is a lot that's not discussed in the video. One big thing is did they even mess with vanos and valvetronic. I cant remember if they kept either or dumped it like the Direct injection. But I don't feel like going to look for it to see if they did, lol.

We also don't know like you said if they even had timing optimal for this engine as it wasn't mentioned. honestly, by the looks of it, they just kept turning up the boost until they the magic number. But that's just speculation of course. And that engine could very well have other issues after melting the DI injector(s).
Yeah, didn't he mention in a previous video that they would make a bracket or something to always have the cam position at highest position throughout the entire rev range? Not sure if he talked more about that or what it looked like....curious to see what that bracket or stop looks like. Has anyone see that?

That FFIM looks gorgeous though...:love:
 

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Yep, VANOS/Valvetronic is locked out on that engine. That was the one thing that disappointed me most as even the 2J guys are all using vvti now.

But having it locked out at max lift/duration for a high number doesn't really matter I suppose.
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