All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!
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Red-hat
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Or testing a final special edition of the 370Z?
The Z35 being resurrected would be great if true, but I’ll believe it when I see it officially announced by Nissan. They have too much form in getting hopes up, then letting enthusiasts down. Remember the IDx debacle.
KahnBB6
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This could well be a final update for the Z34. Or a test mule. No telling. All we know for sure is that Nissan execs recently affirmed that the GTR and Z will get new generations and that the GTR will be 100% developed in-house. They left it up in the air as to whether or not Nissan would partner with another company to develop the Z35. It was also left up in the air as to whether or not the next generations of the GTR and Z would incorporate some sort of electrification.
The IDX being shelved was a huge facepalm.
The IDX being shelved was a huge facepalm.
justbake
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That isn't certain at all.
"Speaking more generally on collaboration, Espinosa said he was open to conversations with other car makers with sports cars as he recognised the business cases for them have become ever more challenging."
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...show/nissan-committed-replacing-370z-and-gt-r
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It was expected
Jabba
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Is Nissan finally going to throw in the motor from the Q60 into the new Z and have a MKV competitor?
2020 just got here, but I'm ready for 2021 already lol
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/nissan-z-future-next-gen-retro-horsepower/
2020 just got here, but I'm ready for 2021 already lol
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/nissan-z-future-next-gen-retro-horsepower/
KahnBB6
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^^ This is what they should do with the next Z. Sharing a V6TT engine with Infiniti makes the most sense. Glad to hear that they’re considering a manual transmission from the get-go!
With a 500hp Nismo version planned Toyota will need to offer some similarly powered GRMN Supra eventually.
DesmoSD
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If this thing looks like this and comes with a V6 TT @ 400HP, this Genesis coupe would give the MKV Supra a solid run for it's money.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30586109/nissan-z-future-2021/
Twin-Turbo V-6 Power
The most powerful engine currently in Nissan and Infiniti's mainstream lineup (apart from the GT-R) is the twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6 that makes up to 400 horsepower in the Infiniti Q50 and Q60. This is the logical choice for the new Z, then, and sources within Nissan dealerships told Autoblog that this powerful mill will indeed be under the hood. A seven-speed automatic is the only transmission choice for this engine in the Infinitis, but we're hoping and praying that a stick shift will be offered as well; remember, Nissan did hint that this was possible by bolting up a six-speed manual to this engine for its modified 370Z concept for the SEMA tuner show this past year.
This engine's displacement calls into question what the new Z will be called. 300Z would be rational (or 300ZX, for nostalgia's sake), but we'd guess that Nissan will instead choose a number corresponding to the car's output rather than its displacement, like 400Z, to clarify its superiority over its predecessors.
Rear-Wheel Drive, as God Intended
A front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout is the only real way to set up a proper sports car, and the Z will continue on with a newer version of Nissan's FM platform and share many components with the Infiniti Q60 coupe. That's from an earlier report from Autocar, which also said that the new car is code-named Z35.
All-wheel drive is within the realm of possibility, given that it's offered as an option on the Q60. But we don't think Nissan will go this route, as none of the Z's intended competitors—the Toyota Supra, Ford Mustang, and Chevy Camaro—offer the option of four driven wheels.
Retro Styling
Although the Nissan Z test mule we spied testing at the Nürburgring last year wore the old car's bodywork, we're pretty certain that the new model will have completely new styling. Autoblog's sources suggested that the original Datsun 240Z would serve as a styling inspiration for the new Z. We hope that means it will present simple, clean lines rather than the angular, tortured look seen on some Nissan concept and production cars lately. Roundish headlights and 300ZX-style taillights will reportedly serve as the key retro touches, as seen on our illustration above.
We doubt that the old-school theme will extend inside, however—and that's a good thing, because the 370Z's cabin is in need of a modern makeover. The cabin should retain its cozy, two-seat atmosphere, but we feel confident that it'll benefit from the latest Nissan infotainment system and a fresh dashboard design.
Hopefully Still Affordable
The current 370Z starts at just $31,015 and remains a decent performance bargain today despite its age. While there's no doubt in our mind that the new model will see a significant price uptick, we're guessing (and hoping) that the new Z will start somewhere in the $40,000 range, which would undercut the Toyota Supra by a few thousand dollars.
All signs point to the new Nissan Z's arrival being imminent. Our suspicion is that it will make its first appearance sometime later in 2020, going on sale in the U.S. as a 2021 model either at the end of this year or early next year. We can't wait to see it for real.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30586109/nissan-z-future-2021/
Twin-Turbo V-6 Power
The most powerful engine currently in Nissan and Infiniti's mainstream lineup (apart from the GT-R) is the twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6 that makes up to 400 horsepower in the Infiniti Q50 and Q60. This is the logical choice for the new Z, then, and sources within Nissan dealerships told Autoblog that this powerful mill will indeed be under the hood. A seven-speed automatic is the only transmission choice for this engine in the Infinitis, but we're hoping and praying that a stick shift will be offered as well; remember, Nissan did hint that this was possible by bolting up a six-speed manual to this engine for its modified 370Z concept for the SEMA tuner show this past year.
This engine's displacement calls into question what the new Z will be called. 300Z would be rational (or 300ZX, for nostalgia's sake), but we'd guess that Nissan will instead choose a number corresponding to the car's output rather than its displacement, like 400Z, to clarify its superiority over its predecessors.
Rear-Wheel Drive, as God Intended
A front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout is the only real way to set up a proper sports car, and the Z will continue on with a newer version of Nissan's FM platform and share many components with the Infiniti Q60 coupe. That's from an earlier report from Autocar, which also said that the new car is code-named Z35.
All-wheel drive is within the realm of possibility, given that it's offered as an option on the Q60. But we don't think Nissan will go this route, as none of the Z's intended competitors—the Toyota Supra, Ford Mustang, and Chevy Camaro—offer the option of four driven wheels.
Retro Styling
Although the Nissan Z test mule we spied testing at the Nürburgring last year wore the old car's bodywork, we're pretty certain that the new model will have completely new styling. Autoblog's sources suggested that the original Datsun 240Z would serve as a styling inspiration for the new Z. We hope that means it will present simple, clean lines rather than the angular, tortured look seen on some Nissan concept and production cars lately. Roundish headlights and 300ZX-style taillights will reportedly serve as the key retro touches, as seen on our illustration above.
We doubt that the old-school theme will extend inside, however—and that's a good thing, because the 370Z's cabin is in need of a modern makeover. The cabin should retain its cozy, two-seat atmosphere, but we feel confident that it'll benefit from the latest Nissan infotainment system and a fresh dashboard design.
Hopefully Still Affordable
The current 370Z starts at just $31,015 and remains a decent performance bargain today despite its age. While there's no doubt in our mind that the new model will see a significant price uptick, we're guessing (and hoping) that the new Z will start somewhere in the $40,000 range, which would undercut the Toyota Supra by a few thousand dollars.
All signs point to the new Nissan Z's arrival being imminent. Our suspicion is that it will make its first appearance sometime later in 2020, going on sale in the U.S. as a 2021 model either at the end of this year or early next year. We can't wait to see it for real.
2JZ-No-Sh*t
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Exactly, that abomination is DOA. I know it makes sense for oversea markets, but SMH at those pulling the strings at ToyotaUSA.Imagine if Nissan released a new Z with 400hp in the 40k price range. Whats the point of the 4 banger Zupra again?
KahnBB6
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Reports so far are a 240Z inspired front end with a 1990-1999 300ZX inspired rear end. And the possibility of including a manual transmission option.
The point of a four-cylinder Supra, if offered with a manual transmission as reported... is the manual transmission in a Supra MKV. And for some an easy platform to swap the engine to a 2JZ manual. Or to allow for parts to much more easily manual swap a Supra 3.0L.
Other than that it’s to sell more Supras for less for those who want the looks more than the power and for Toyota to meet fuel economy and emissions targets across the Supra range.
If the new Z offers a manual at $40k-ish and the Supra continues to offer no manual on any trim level... then that certainly would make the Z more appealing no matter how good the Supra is otherwise.
The point of a four-cylinder Supra, if offered with a manual transmission as reported... is the manual transmission in a Supra MKV. And for some an easy platform to swap the engine to a 2JZ manual. Or to allow for parts to much more easily manual swap a Supra 3.0L.
Other than that it’s to sell more Supras for less for those who want the looks more than the power and for Toyota to meet fuel economy and emissions targets across the Supra range.
If the new Z offers a manual at $40k-ish and the Supra continues to offer no manual on any trim level... then that certainly would make the Z more appealing no matter how good the Supra is otherwise.
2JZ-No-Sh*t
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I believe the MT is only offered on the lower spec 4 banger Z4 in the EU. The 4 banger Supra that will be offered in Europe only comes with an AT. I believe Japan also get the lower spec 4 banger Supra, and its AT only.
They could just sell a rolling chassis.
As I said it does make sense for places like the EU and Japan, but I still think its DOA if and when it comes to the US. Our mindset is bigger is better. Gas is faily cheap here and emissions aren't as tough as other parts of the world. Not to mention we were the only major market where the A80 GTEs outsold the GEs almost 2 to 1.
Agree
KahnBB6
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I don’t think it will be a DOA model trim. There will always be buyers for a cheaper edition of a beautiful looking sportscar.
The EU Z4 197hp manual is currently a low production model. Supposedly we will get a 2.0L manual Supra in the U.S. though. At what horsepower level is not yet known but the next GT86/BRZ is set to get at least 240-250hp with a turbo FA24 engine and A70TTR has mentioned that in the long term for the Supra a 280hp 2.0L engine had been planned. That would makes sense with the positioning of the 2nd gen 86 and the Corolla GR-4.
My guess is that if Nissan does release their VR30 twin turbo Z with a manual transmission option at $40k then Toyota will finally have no choice but to complete development on a Supra 3.0L manual variant (in addition to the cheaper 2.0L manual) to compete.
The A80TT and Z32TT never were at the same price points in the 90’s either (maybe not until Toyota cut the MSRP for the Turbo by -$10k in 1997) but they always competed directly on specs.
The EU Z4 197hp manual is currently a low production model. Supposedly we will get a 2.0L manual Supra in the U.S. though. At what horsepower level is not yet known but the next GT86/BRZ is set to get at least 240-250hp with a turbo FA24 engine and A70TTR has mentioned that in the long term for the Supra a 280hp 2.0L engine had been planned. That would makes sense with the positioning of the 2nd gen 86 and the Corolla GR-4.
My guess is that if Nissan does release their VR30 twin turbo Z with a manual transmission option at $40k then Toyota will finally have no choice but to complete development on a Supra 3.0L manual variant (in addition to the cheaper 2.0L manual) to compete.
The A80TT and Z32TT never were at the same price points in the 90’s either (maybe not until Toyota cut the MSRP for the Turbo by -$10k in 1997) but they always competed directly on specs.
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