Toyota Europe announces first extension of the GR Supra sports car range w/ new 2.0 turbo engine

In other news, Nissan is reportly working on a 400hp Z replacement for an estimated $40k price tag. If true, RIP 4 bager Supra.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30586109/nissan-z-future-2021/

If and when this new Z comes to market I'm sure Toyota will change their lineup and pricing accordingly.

By doing what, taking a loss on every Supra sold? They don't control their build cost on this car.

But the article is only theorizing it will still be 40k. Might be a hard feat to pull off with the turbo power plant. I'm sure it will be cheaper then the Supra though.

"Autoblog's sources suggested that the original Datsun 240Z would serve as a styling inspiration for the new Z"

That would make 3 retro versions of the Z in a row, what, is this Ford? lol I kinda doubt this is true, though the 350z only loosely echoed the 240, but the 370 was way retro.

I would love it if it was called a 300z! But they're right they will probably whimp out and switch to output like everyone else has done when moving to lower displacement turbo motors.

Personally I feel Ford nailed the "retro" or rather evolutionary styling of the Mustang once they got to the 2015 model year. I still love those cars but just didn't care to own a Fox chassis, SN95 chassis or the first "retro" 2010-2014 editions. Now though? Perfect for a modern Mustang. That is until they rebadged a Ford Escape EV as a "Mustang" which was a poor decision just like killing off all their cars and the Focus ST/RS and Fiesta ST. But I digress.

Nissan post-Ghosn may actually surprise us if the company overall can turn itself around. The 370Z didn't look bad at all when it was new-- decent improvement over the 350Z. Styling the front like a 240Z and the rear like a 1990 300ZX (as rumored) could be very good if done right.

And as a limited niche market car I think the VR30 TT engine in whatever state of tune would be an easy shoo-in. Why? Because it's already engineered and in production for global markets including the USA. Only minor tweaking would be needed to include it in the next Z, thus saving on overall costs and providing more than acceptable power that the fans will expect.

The 300ZX already set a precedent thirty years ago for the Z shifting to a V6 twin turbo. The days of the L28 I-6 are long in the past and even the current GTR crowd accepts the VR38 engine, leaving the L's and RB's to fans of classic Nissans. So right there Nissan already has a built-in fan acceptance for a high performance production engine architecture for the Z.

I expect it will be a very good Z for the first time in a long time and will force Toyota to tweak the Supra's options and spec offerings to compete. Tetsuya Tada did not go into the MKV's design and planning without anticipating future possibilities. It just seems that the public's acceptance and market competition might be the two things that force them to release more than just the basic bare bones versions of the Supra we have seen for the 2020 model year.

Even with BMW's limitations to contend with he will have planned for at least some future room to grow with his beloved car to help it survive well for a good long production run.

SupraFiend said:

By doing what, taking a loss on every Supra sold? They don't control their build cost on this car.

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Wasn't that what happened with the 97-98 MY Supras?

Toyota AU is passing on the B48..

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-2-litre-supra-not-coming-to-australia

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/toyo...asses-on-four-pot-supra/2020-01-17/81335.html

They can always release the updated power plant they are sitting on. If they start advertising hp at the crank along with the revised motor, that would bump them well above the rumored 400 hp of the Z.

gymratter said:

Toyota AU is passing on the B48..

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-2-litre-supra-not-coming-to-australia

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/toyo...asses-on-four-pot-supra/2020-01-17/81335.html

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Well gee. Okay then. I guess Toyota had better accelerate the development of a suitable manual for the 3.0L in that case. The Supra needs one in every market and everyone loves the 3.0L I-6 version, so...

Really... other than the 2.0L allowing Toyota to meet fleet emissions and fuel economy targets in certain markets, for the buyers the prospect of a manual transmission version 2.0L is the only real main value point to it. This just puts more pressure on the 3.0L Supra to offer one, finally.

Rather annoying to learn though, especially after Toyota engineers did an interview with Australian journalists a while back and confirmed that a manual Supra had been developed and was definitely needed at least for RHD markets (their words). It just seemed like they might have been referring to the 2.0L when those statements were made to Australian journalists just around or just after the global launch.

johnny_10196 said:

Wasn't that what happened with the 97-98 MY Supras?

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Different time and place. The yen went on a wild ride in the 90s. People seem to forgot that that 10k they knocked off they also incrementally added after 93. The car was only $39k when it launched. Everything had changed by 96/97. Also, we never got that price drop in Canada, and it barely stood in the US as all the 96 and I think 95 buyers sued them for devaluing their cars.

I'm still hearing no 4cyl for the US on the back end. Just FYI

I know we have commentary from some that have attended dealer meetings saying otherwise, but I'm skeptical...

gymratter said:

Toyota AU is passing on the B48..

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-2-litre-supra-not-coming-to-australia

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/toyo...asses-on-four-pot-supra/2020-01-17/81335.html

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The UK is also forgoing the 4 banger.

New Toyota Supra: four-cylinder not coming to UK

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/toyota/supra/

See that actually surprises me a bit ^

But USA and AU make sense in varying degrees of bigger and more powerful is always better.

At this point if all the major markets save Japan are foregoing the 2.0L turbo version I guess all we can hope for is that Toyota more or less copies the approach EAG has had to giving the Supra 3.0L a manual and does it officially.

I can't see any other reason why the 2.0L would be much of a draw for customers for THIS car other than that one version of the Z4 set a manual gearbox precedent for the Supra eventually getting one with the same or similar driveline.

With all the major export markets remaining 3.0L only (and don't get me wrong... that's definitely the engine to have)... this sure does narrow the hope for that happening.

Pure unfounded speculation/theory: The only thing I can think of that may explain this as being a temporary decision is if the 2.0L turbo engine is actually due for a significant power bump revision and all of the Toyota HQ's in these markets feel that waiting out its introduction for another model year or so is worth it. Probably not at all the case though.

I guess as far as we know at this point the Supra MKV as a global car will effectively be a 3.0L turbo only vehicle. Not a bad thing, that.

$40k for a 250hp Supra is just a hard sell unless you really love/want the rest of the car and government regulations force you to accept that as the best you can do.

IMO, it makes far more sense to release a 250hp 86 as the step below the Supra. Then you're not paying the higher cost, you can choose transmission option, and not get stuck with a lower performance engine in comparison to a higher trim

A70TTR said:

I'm still hearing no 4cyl for the US on the back end.

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A70TTR said:

See that actually surprises me a bit ^

But USA and AU make sense in varying degrees of bigger and more powerful is always better.

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