Toyota Presents World Debut of the New 2022 GR 86

Could this mark the end of 1st gen production?
https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/tokyo-auto-salon-toyota-86-black-limited-concept/

"At the Tokyo Auto Salon, Toyota had a pretty killer display that included a trio of Adminroku. The purpose of the display was to show off a new prototype version of the Toyobaru 86 called the Black Limited Concept. For those familiar with the original AE86 from which the Toyota coupe gets its namesake, that is an extremely significant name.

The original AE86’s Black Limited was released in January 1986 as a special edition car limited to just 400 units. Based on the top-spec GT-Apex trim level and available only in three-door body style, it came with an exclusive all-black paint job, gold “snowflake” wheels, and gold badging throughout.

The interior had exclusive gauge clusters that looked goldish by day and glowed orange (as opposed to the standard greenish-white) by night. The horn pad had the words “TWINCAM 16” written in gold, and the shift pattern in the gear knob was printed in orange. There were no performance upgrades, but the sleek color combo, rarity, and the fact that it was the final special edition model of the beloved AE86 have made it a holy grail among AE86 aficionados.

The 86 Black Limited Concept is a nod to this rare beast. There have been many special editions of the Toyota 86 (and its former incarnation as the Scion FR-S), but this one feels special. It has gold wheels, naturally, and “Black Limited” embossed on the dashboard in gold stitching. Additionally, the vent bezels, steering wheel spokes, and center console are all finished in black rather than the standard silver.

Though labeled a Concept, it wouldn’t be difficult at all to put this into production. It certainly hints at the fact that it could be, once again, the final special edition model before the current-generation 86 is put out to pasture. It is widely rumored that Toyota and Subaru are working on a next-gen 86/BRZ to debut sometime this year, powered by a naturally aspirated 2.4-liter Subaru flat-four. The timing would seem to fit with this final edition special."







@A70TTR Is there any chance the new GR86 to have the new 1.8liter turbo boxer?It could be great news for countries with tax regulations above 2000cc.For Europe at least

GR86 isn't exactly that far into development, so not a lot of information is available—at least to me. I also have nothing to do with the team that's working on it (for now), so I don't know a lot.

But I will say that a few guys that work with me mentioned an engine around the 2L mark vs 2.5. All of the external rumor mill says the latter though

A70TTR said:

GR86 isn't exactly that far into development, so not a lot of information is available—at least to me. I also have nothing to do with the team that's working on it (for now), so I don't know a lot.

But I will say that a few guys that work with me mentioned an engine around the 2L mark vs 2.5. All of the external rumor mill says the latter though

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So this could this mean just a carryover FA20 non-turbo then? Or a revised older WRX FA20T?

As long as it’s got a turbo I don’t care what its displacement is. And for the lower tax brackets in some regions it’ll be a good thing if it’s no larger than 2.0L. It always seemed an odd choice to make it a 2.4-2.5L in that class but I figured this was because the Forester XT engine was handy and needed little redesign to make it work in this car with a manual transmission.

I realize you’re not hearing much about it these days A70. If it’s getting a revised WRX FA20 turbo engine then I think that would be perfect.

Just depends on what you're working on and with who... I've been working on primarily L stuff and specifically attached to certain projects therein, so those are the ones I hear the most stuff about.

I also really only push for info on stuff I care about too, so... GR86 is cool, but there are things I'm far more interested in atm.

Of course. And I’m genuinely looking forward to the fun stuff coming out from the L pipeline that you’ve been involved with over the last year : )

i think this time the team that is developing the car will be different , so maybe it will be mostly subaru engineers. Btw do not rule out a toyota engine , personally i would be content with a downsized turbo toyota or subaru engine with about 240hp.

If they decide to use the FA20DIT in my WRX, that would make me a happy camper. Already familiar with the engine, however the torque dying off at around 5500 RPM and slight rev hang is a bit annoying. Also, I'm curious as to how would they would fit everything (FMIC, piping, low mounted turbo) while achieving a lower COG than the previous gens. And not disrupt the "balance" of the 86.

Got some news on this today and let's just say it isn't a Toyota, although I guess it was never really one to begin with.

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Got some news on this today and let's just say it isn't a Toyota, although I guess it was never really one to begin with.

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Thanks for the update, A70. I more or less expected something like that. The question in my mind comes down to: does it still take what we love about the gen1 86 6MT and make an even better overall RWD small driver’s car?

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Got some news on this today and let's just say it isn't a Toyota, although I guess it was never really one to begin with.

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The car is already in late stages, technically fully developed and Subaru did listen to Toyota... but as you said: was never really one to begin with. 2021 should still be the plan, if I'm not mistaken.
But interesting to read news about it mixing up infos of multiple cars ^^ Did you got word about the possibility of a turbo?

Well, as early as last year I was told it was not happening iirc (maybe it was end of 2018). Then as time passed some of the engineering guys said it was happening and was supposed to be a <2L turbo, but then I read all the news about being the Ascent engine and didn't know what to believe. Then there was talk about it being a Toyota platform with Subaru engine which was even more confusing.

All the while there was so little info on it internally, but it all makes a lot more sense if everything was done in-house at Subaru with merely Toyota feedback.

This thing with the toyota platform confused me aswell, it absolutely made no sense to put a subaru engine with TNGA, i mean if you use TNGA just put the new 3 cylinder that is part of the platform anyway.

My understanding always was it would eventually switch to SGP and use the new generation downsized engines that subaru developed so they dont continue paying huge money in taxes over emissions. Btw apart from the 1.8T there is a 1.6T a 2.4T and i think one more is coming , it is a 1.5T i think? Anyway not all of them bad options , let's all hope they don't drop the ball and put a NA engine in there or anything under 220hp.

As for handling if it is as good as the 1st gen , i don't think anyone could ask more in these price ranges.

A70TTR said:

Got some news on this today and let's just say it isn't a Toyota, although I guess it was never really one to begin with.

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It's more of a Toyota then the Supra is.

If the next gen has a much better engine, retains the Toyota diff, transmission etc and can match the handling prowess of the first car, it could be awesome.

Gen 1 has plenty of Toyota engineering in it, hence why it's Subaru's most reliable model. Also plenty of Toyota parts on the car.

Gen 2 is apparently nearly all Subaru parts and engineering. As in chief engineer is a Subaru employee.

^^ A70, this means that while Tetsuya Tada is involved he is only overseeing or advising the 2nd gen 86 project even though it is a GR division co-developed product?