Toyota GR Supra Races Into 2021 with More Power and First-Ever Four-Cylinder Turbo Model

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lol anyone who says they are not a little T'd off by the power increase and is driving a 2020 is lying.

good thing its not that major and I think modded both cars will run equal

what does interest me in the dampening tuning and the upgraded bracing
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lol anyone who says they are not a little T'd off by the power increase and is driving a 2020 is lying.

good thing its not that major and I think modded both cars will run equal

what does interest me in the dampening tuning and the upgraded bracing
Isn't the bracing very similar to what you would get from Cusco? I understand the dampening aspect. Tune and downpipe will fix the power increase pretty quick, which was what I was planning on already.
 
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lol anyone who says they are not a little T'd off by the power increase and is driving a 2020 is lying.

good thing its not that major and I think modded both cars will run equal

what does interest me in the dampening tuning and the upgraded bracing
I don't care. What I do care is that locally, they don't seem to know much about the car and how it works and have one person that is supposed to be able to work on it. But if there are like 3 or 4 in the area, how many times will that mechanic have real hands on experience? Very little. So the 2020 will have real service issues, if and when the time comes that more than an oil change is needed.
 

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Isn't the bracing very similar to what you would get from Cusco? I understand the dampening aspect. Tune and downpipe will fix the power increase pretty quick, which was what I was planning on already.
I hope so, Ive been looking at those cusco piece now for a while, I love how the car handles already...so if they improved everything and the programming, yea IM a bit jelly
 

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I don't care. What I do care is that locally, they don't seem to know much about the car and how it works and have one person that is supposed to be able to work on it. But if there are like 3 or 4 in the area, how many times will that mechanic have real hands on experience? Very little. So the 2020 will have real service issues, if and when the time comes that more than an oil change is needed.
I cant see how this will be a problem, it will probably be the same Supra tech to handle all the Supra. Im willing to bet (cause I dont know yet) that the power increase is just modified ST. Maybe they need to hire a bmw MT to handle Supra LOLOL
 

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I'm pretty curious to see how the suspension tuning changes will pan out on the 2021. Will it have a harsher ride? Will it perhaps be less fun if there's less body roll when cornering?

There's something to be said for the added sensation of momentum that comes from a little roll when cornering. I hold that it's one of the main reasons boaty stock Miata suspensions make the car so fun. Once you modify that out it suddenly becomes a bit less engaging at the same speeds.
 

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I cant see how this will be a problem, it will probably be the same Supra tech to handle all the Supra. Im willing to bet (cause I dont know yet) that the power increase is just modified ST. Maybe they need to hire a bmw MT to handle Supra LOLOL
I mean in general, there will be no real hands on as there have only been a couple sold in the area so the frequency of a repair encounter should be low, and so the hands on experience. A good mechanic of course has lots of experience in general but it still helps to have the contact with the machine a few times. I used to rebuild engines so I have a basic understand of any but then look at the engine etc. I watched a totally tear down and really enjoyed it.
 

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I'm pretty curious to see how the suspension tuning changes will pan out on the 2021. Will it have a harsher ride? Will it perhaps be less fun if there's less body roll when cornering?

There's something to be said for the added sensation of momentum that comes from a little roll when cornering. I hold that it's one of the main reasons boaty stock Miata suspensions make the car so fun. Once you modify that out it suddenly becomes a bit less engaging at the same speeds.
I am not sure a car with excessive body roll in corners can be fun. Those are just marketing hype if you ask me.

Patiently waiting for 2022....all this is nothing new. As I was told previously, 2022 would bring "dramatic" changes. Guess we will have to wait some more...:D
6 speed manual in 2022.:yes:
 

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I mean in general, there will be no real hands on as there have only been a couple sold in the area so the frequency of a repair encounter should be low, and so the hands on experience. A good mechanic of course has lots of experience in general but it still helps to have the contact with the machine a few times. I used to rebuild engines so I have a basic understand of any but then look at the engine etc. I watched a totally tear down and really enjoyed it.
I hear you, when I took my mine in for a Battery light check, they kept it for 9 hrs. Had toyota on the line, the special tech, and someone else for full documentation. And all they ended up doing was clearing the code and registering the battery? Must be a BMW thing
 

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I am not sure a car with excessive body roll in corners can be fun. Those are just marketing hype if you ask me.



6 speed manual in 2022.:yes:

Have you driven a Miata? The roll really is part of what makes it fun. You can be driving at or near legal speeds and it feels like you're hauling serious ass. Of course that also comes along with some negatives. Actual cornering performance suffers, and sudden maneuvers definitely don't inspire confidence IMO.
 

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Have you driven a Miata? The roll really is part of what makes it fun. You can be driving at or near legal speeds and it feels like you're hauling serious ass. Of course that also comes along with some negatives. Actual cornering performance suffers, and sudden maneuvers definitely don't inspire confidence IMO.
Yup, driven the ND when it first launch in an autox setting. Your point is fair enough, but personally, I still wouldn't call that fun when I have to brace myself in the car with the roll when trying to get through a corner quickly.
 

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Have you driven a Miata? The roll really is part of what makes it fun. You can be driving at or near legal speeds and it feels like you're hauling serious ass. Of course that also comes along with some negatives. Actual cornering performance suffers, and sudden maneuvers definitely don't inspire confidence IMO.
:hmm: you're on to something there. I love driving the ND Miata. It does indeed feel like you're hauling ass when you're not going that fast at all. It's quite amazing to experience.
 

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Yup, driven the ND when it first launch in an autox setting. Your point is fair enough, but personally, I still wouldn't call that fun when I have to brace myself in the car with the roll when trying to get through a corner quickly.
I've never autox'd or raced one, but I could see how the excessive roll would be less than fun in that scenario.

:hmm: you're on to something there. I love driving the ND Miata. It does indeed feel like you're hauling ass when you're not going that fast at all. It's quite amazing to experience.
In the sports car world I think it sounds counterintuitive, but at least in the Miata's case the roll was designed in for a reason. In my NC2 and ND I found that perceived speed was reduced when I modified the suspension to eliminate roll. Which in the end made the cars less enjoyable for me on my favorite roads.

Cars are certainly different though. I found the perceived speed to be pretty good and thus fun in the M2C even when not actually going fast, and that suspension is quite firm in comparison to a Miata.

On the topic of the Supra though. I still haven't driven one, and now I'm even more interested in driving a 2020 to see how it feels.
 

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On the topic of the Supra though. I still haven't driven one, and now I'm even more interested in driving a 2020 to see how it feels.
You gotta drive one! The sound alone is intoxicating. The way the stock exhaust winds up at high rpms brings a massive smile to my face. The active sound through the speakers helps with all that. My first mechanical mod is gunna be to get a very good exhaust that will be slightly louder than stock but keep the pitch of the engine/exhaust note quite the same. I will then delete the active sound through speakers and enjoy the natural sound of the aftermarket performance exhaust.
 

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Thought this might be of interest...Here's a baseline comparison of the new Z4 vs A90 Supra. All runs are on CA 91 octane, measured at the wheels on a dynojet. This was posted on Z4forum...

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