A90 Supra life cycle: Incremental updates? New variants coming? What's next?

Islindur said:

400Z on the horizon too... Wonder what will they show...

Honestly main reason for auto is track performance for me - auto will just be faster, period. And when Im on the track I do care for every 0.5s I can cut down and be better than competition.

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Indeed, the 400Z does sound promising as well if the rumors prove to be true.

On track performance motivating your decision makes a lot of sense. In a competitive track racing environment the speed and precision of the ZF8 will be an advantage. I can totally understand that motivating factor.

For me it’s in the opposite direction: I won’t be racing unless I have another car pretty much dedicated for competitive track use. Instead I could care less about how many tenths faster I am on the street. I just love to shift gears manually and have fun while driving my cars. As such I strongly prefer that type of drive interface over a much faster, more efficient and yes more competitive modern auto or DCT.

If I were to formally race? I’d be using a different car and of course I’d use whatever best technology is available ; )

Axed before hybrid: Toyota Supra to be discontinued in 2025 rather than face electrification - reports

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-ne...-off-in-2025-rather-than-face-electrification

Toyota's Supra will be killed off in 2025, according to Japanese reports, saving the sports car from going hybrid with the rest of the company's line-up.

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So the rumor link in the Supra GRMN thread is right: the Supra MKV will not end after a MY2026 but rather in actual year 2025, making it a four year production run.

And apparently they have no concrete plan yet for an A100 successor.

That really sucks.

KahnBB6 said:

So the rumor link in the Supra GRMN thread is right: the Supra MKV will not end after a MY2026 but rather in actual year 2025, making it a four year production run.

And apparently they have no concrete plan yet for an A100 successor.

That really sucks.

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Wouldn't that be 6 years?

1. 2020
2. 2021
3. 2022
4. 2023
5. 2024
6. 2025

Still short nonetheless

KahnBB6 said:

So the rumor link in the Supra GRMN thread is right: the Supra MKV will not end after a MY2026 but rather in actual year 2025, making it a four year production run.

And apparently they have no concrete plan yet for an A100 successor.

That really sucks.

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Japanese model year is different from ours. Again, they got a 2019 aka U.S. 2020. So for them 2019-2025 = 6 years. For us, 2020-2026 still = 6 years.

If an A100 is in the works I doubt Toyota would be spilling the beans to Bestcar.

A70 said we might not see a new Supra right after the A90 ends. There maybe a few years break between the two.

justbake said:

Wouldn't that be 6 years?

1. 2020
2. 2021
3. 2022
4. 2023
5. 2024
6. 2025

Still short nonetheless

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You are correct, sorry. However this assumes that there will be a final year MY2025. Hopefully so.

@A70TTR, if sales remain strong do you think Toyota could extend the Supra's life cycle and exempt it from its 2025 hybrid rule?

Does this mean the 86 is getting in axe in 2025 as well?

2JZ-No-Sh*t said:

Does this mean the 86 is getting in axe in 2025 as well?

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I asked in the other thread but didn't get a response. I assume there will be a hybrid variant before 2025 to satisfy Toyota's goal

To meet their 2025 mandate there will have to at the very least be a hybrid trim level to every model, so maybe Subaru will throw in one of their current boxer-hybrid-CVT drivelines as one type of BRZ/GR86 alongside the gas-only manual and auto GR86’s?

And maybe the same will be the case for the Corolla: a regular hybrid model available alongside the Corolla GR with its gas-turbo non-hybrid AWD manual drivetrain?

if the 86 is killed off after 2025 i hope they replace it with that rumored hybrid/electric MR2. imo, the A100 should be spinned off as two separated models as Tada originally wanted to do with the A90. a 4 cyl Celica and 6 cyl Supra, and just like that we have the 3 brothers Akio wanted

gymratter said:

if the 86 is killed off after 2025 i hope they replace it with that rumored hybrid/electric MR2. imo, the A100 should be spinned off as two separated models as Tada originally wanted to do with the A90. a 4 cyl Celica and 6 cyl Supra, and just like that we have the 3 brothers Akio wanted

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They have shown a bunch of concepts, but we still haven't seen anything to this day.

Matador said:

Extreme overkill....

That being said, Toyota has been working on a hybrid MR2 for a looong time now. Been through at least 3 revisions in concept/prototype form. In fact, if you go as far back as the 2004 Alessandro Volta concept, one could believe that they've had this in mind for almost a decade and a half.

I think a hybrid MR2 would slot in nicely between the 86 (or whatever replaces it) and the Supra. Would be a nice accessible "poor mans" version to the GR Super Sport, because I'm pretty sure that will go deeeep into 6 figure territory and be very limited in numbers.

GR Sports Hybrid - 400hp (3.3 V6 AWD Hybrid) This was from when Naruse was still around.

GR Sports Hybrid Concept 2 (3.5 V6 AWD Hybrid)

TE Sports 800 Concept (1.5 4cyl hybrid)

I had some pics of a suspected prototype in testing from quite a few years aback.... widened MRS chassis, camo clad, but I'd have to dig pretty deep in my archive to find those.... i.e. I'm not going to look.

Will it ever be a reality.. who knows.

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I look at it like this:

The Toyota lineup and many automaker’s lineups will go hybrid. That’s inevitable.

(And aside this is why not giving the Supra a manual transmission option from the start in THIS generation is so infuriating).

So given that hybrids and EVs are inevitable, how best can the next generation of the Supra, GR86, MR2 and Corolla GR best keep as close to the right spirit, feel, simplicity of driver interface and total driving machine engagement as the current models do?

And by the same token, how do those models stay pure and away away from the utterly stupid notion of an “autonomous sports car” that has been a topic some manufacturer PR departments have toyed with in the press. You’re not having any fun in your “sportscar“ if it is autonomous and doing all or even some of the driving for you.

The main technical (not design intention of marketing) issue with even the shift of high performance, sports car and sport hatchback models getting electrified to hybrid or full EV isn’t the emphasis shift away from engines as the only motivator... it’s the limitations of the current commercial battery technology. Power density per cubic inch and weight mainly.

And yes, I will miss the era we’ll be leaving going forward. Look at my daily driver car in my signature.

But my point is: this drivetrain shift is inevitable (and again... that’s why I keep insisting on a manual Supra NOW before it’s far too late) so how can these awesome Toyota sports machines still be kept alive for customers AND remain true to their core spirit even with electrification as a factor?

This is why, not for now but for later, I hope Toyota’s investment in promising solid state battery technology will bear fruit. That technology eventually being made reliable and commercial may be one of the biggest factors in keeping future versions of cars like these alive.

Until then, I want to see what Toyota can do to make *real* high performance hybrid driver’s cars that aren’t priced out of reach or out of possibility for tuning by enthusiasts.

And before that, I want to see them handle the A90’s production run in the best way to maximize the different variants enthusiasts are asking for. And I want to see a good 2nd Gen 86 and a good Corolla GR.

The MR2... I suspect if they want it to be a 100% EV they’ll run into weight and size issues at this time. If they make it a hybrid then it may be able to stay “MR2 sized” but they may still have weight issues due to the weight of the batteries.

No one is going to accept a huge sized or overly heavy MR2... or one that runs out of steam after only a few minutes of hard driving and goes into a temporary limp mode because some battery chemistry is being kept from overheating.

I’d like to see any application of super capacitor technology also.

All the same technical issues would apply to an A100 or 3rd gen GR86.

some people aren't buying that 2025 is the end of the road for the Supra. even if it wasn't for hybrid timeline; looking at the life cycle of past Zs i think 2025 isn't that outlandish.

E36 Z3: 1995–2002 = 7 yrs
E85 Z4: 2002–2008 - 6 yrs
E89 Z4: 2009–2016 = 7 yrs

J29/G29 Zupra : 2019-2025 = 6 yrs