5 things you love and hate about the car

Rapheal said:

Things I Hate:

1. Tetsuya Tada
2. Tetsuya Tada
   
3. Tetsuya Tada
   
4. The way the car looks at certain angles is just ugly (Especially the front. with these headlights).
5. The horn.

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I don't understand all the hate towards Tada. For those are discontent with the A90 your hatred should be aimed at Akio and the Toyota board. They were the ones that green lighted this joint project. Tada was just doing his job as instructed by the higher ups.

Things I like:
1. The exterior design. (Above average track car in factory form).
2. Good rear wheel drive for what it is.
3. Extensive product support.
4. Nice factory stance.
5. Factory exhaust. (Who doesn’t like the pops).

Things I don’t like:
1. Entry and exiting the vehicle. (My head sometimes rubs the door frame of the car).
2. Aftermarket support can be expensive.
3. Aftermarket wheel designs all seem to look the same... Until you get in the $4500+ price range.
4. Can never have too much torque or horsepower.
5. All wheel drive would be nice, but very expensive.

supraboi said:

I don't understand all the hate towards Tada. For those are discontent with the A90 you're hatred should be aimed at Akio and the Toyota board. They were the ones that green lighted this joint project. Tada was just doing his job as instructed by the higher ups.

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Honestly, why should people blame Toyoda-san either? That's also a pretty poor mentality too. These were the cards that Toyoda-san and the other enthusiast-minded executives were dealt with from corporate Toyota.

Toyota and BMW wanted to have a technical partnership anyways by sharing technologies. Toyoda-san used this as an opportunity and asked Tada san to build a sports car too. Heck, Tada-san even thought of building a sports car before Toyoda-san told him to do so.

But there was no way in hell that in this economy after 20 years of not building a Supra (and 20 years of a car being absent is extremely tough to bring back to competitiveness without spending a load of money, meeting today's stringent emissions, and making sense financially for the brand, now obviously, some cars don't need to make a load of money as cars like the Supra serves as an aspirational vehicle, which now I really believe some of the old non-enthusiast farts at TMC are starting to understand now) without codeveloping it.

For example, the new Z is being built despite Nissan almost being bankrupt because they were able to base the new car off the old one. It won't cost Nissan much in development costs because they have many things on hand like the engine, chassis, and transmission. Toyota didn't have anything to base off that's less than 20 years old (don't bother to mention Lexus because their vehicles are insanely heavy).

Let me ask you this? Would you seriously want something to be that old and uncompetitive just to satisfy some Fast and Furious fangirls and other A80 dumbasses? I say nah. For all I care those guys can go fuck themselves.

This was the way to go, and I'm sick of dumbfucks not seeing the bigger picture here. You guys wouldn't have gotten a Supra any other way. Could Toyota have actually afforded to build a Supra and go all-out without giving a shit of how much money they spend? Fuck yeah. They could spend billions of dollars (or tens of billions for all that matters) and it won't dent their coffers a bit. That's how rich they are.

But they didn't get this powerful financially (Toyota makes ~25 billion dollars a year in just profits) by doing whatever the fuck they want. They've always made calculated decisions of what they want to build and most of all, how they want to move the company forward. And yes, I will admit they've sometimes built some cars at the worst possible times where the economy was poor, the cars were an immediate failure and they lazily blamed it on "poor sales" rather than trying to read the room and see where the economy is going at the time. Point is, splurging on this Supra when considering all of the factors I've mentioned is senseless.

In the future, we will be looking back at the A90 GR Supra fondly as the car that rejuvenated the Supra nameplate and we can thank both Toyota and BMW for that happen. This partnership was so great that I don't mind if there is some BMW left in future Toyotas. I want that B58 (or S58) in a Supra. Heck we should build our own inline-six off these engines.

We will also look back at the 86 fondly too for being such a great, sports car that injected a lot of jazz into the Toyota brand and again, it's all thanks to Toyota and Subaru. Now the next generation is going to be based off a Toyota platform. How great is that?

Name me a car that has been rejuvenated after a long ass time of not building the car without help, has been a total success and everyone wins at the end financially all at the same time? None.

Porsche got help from Toyota when they've started building the Boxster for the first time too. Look where they are now. Toyota's help allowed Porsche to turn from shambles into a financially strong brand.

F1 Silver Arrows said:

Honestly, why should people blame Toyoda-san either? That's also a pretty poor mentality too.

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I think you were reading way too much into my post. Obviously there are people not happy with the A90. My analogy to those with complaints. If you are unhappy with how the city is being ran who should you ultimately blame? The councilman or the mayor?

With that said, let's get back on topic!

Tsar said:

Just noticed that my badge/logo is all kinds of garbage. Car has 3500 miles.. haven't seen anything good that I can replace it with.

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vb22 said:

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Lmao, at least it probably wouldn't crack..

supraboi said:

I think you were reading way too much into my post. Obviously there are people not happy with the A90. My analogy to those with complaints. If you are unhappy with how the city is being ran who should you ultimately blame? The councilman or the mayor?

With that said, let's get back on topic!

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Your analogy is a little bit misplaced though. One needs to have the full information before they start "blaming". At the end, nobody should get any blame at TMC.

vb22 said:

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Oxymoron.

supraboi said:

I think you were reading way too much into my post. Obviously there are people not happy with the A90. My analogy to those with complaints. If you are unhappy with how the city is being ran who should you ultimately blame? The councilman or the mayor?

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Mines would be the chef (Tada) is only allowed to make whatever dish (car) the restaurant owner (Akio) allows.

F1 Silver Arrows said:

Your analogy is a little bit misplaced though. One needs to have the full information before they start "blaming". At the end, nobody should get any blame at TMC.

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Who die and made you the blaming police

You may want to add that Tada wanted to make a mid-engine sports car, but was overruled by Akio. Imagine we could have had a real Porsche and C8 contender.

F1 Silver Arrows said:

LMAO this guy. Are you from SupraForums? Cuz a lot of A80 douchebags hate Tada-san there.

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I think the guy owns an A90.

wonder how much longer until this thread turns into a shit show..

Likes
1. Exterior, both front and rear
2. Exhaust
3. Nice daily
4. MPG is surprisingly good, even with lead foot
5. BMW electronics and interior

Dislikes
1. Horn (I know I can change it but I shouldn’t have to)
2. Power, I feel it should be around the 500 range reliable of course
3. Crowd attraction, I feel uneasy in public spaces and leaving the car parked in certain areas
4. Leg room
5. Sound system

supraboi said:

I don't understand all the hate towards Tada. For those are discontent with the A90 your hatred should be aimed at Akio and the Toyota board. They were the ones that green lighted this joint project. Tada was just doing his job as instructed by the higher ups.

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I think it more so that he forced his Cayman fetish on a car that should compete with 911s.

Dislike:

1. Steering Wheel Design
2. Horn
3. Handling on rough roads
4. Overall steering feel
5. Bluetooth and Apple Car Play connection

Like:
1. Overall Exterior Design
2. Driving Experience- Lots of torque and Sharp handling
3. Exhaust in sport mode
4. Freeway cruising
5. Controversy

2JZ-No-Sh*t said:

Who die and made you the blaming police

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I'm not sure where you're going with this.

You may want to add that Tada wanted to make a mid-engine sports car, but was overruled by Akio. Imagine we could have had a real Porsche and C8 contender.

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I didn't know that a MR2 successor was overruled by Akio. Toyoda-san said he wanted the three brothers. I wonder what the third one is.