2021 Toyota Supra Reviews Compilation

2.0 vs 718
German so turn on subbitles, all in all he prefers Supra 2.0 VERY slightly, he says they are actually even, which is imo a good win for 2.0 considering the lack of features compared to 3.0 and that the competitor is 300hp PDK Porsche.

Here's a recent review from him of the Merc GTC with a similar formula, but a starting price of $150k before options. I have no doubt a $150k Mercedes is excellent. But when you review a $55k sports car, I'm sure it doesn't seem up to par. Long story short, I wouldn't ask someone like him for reccomendations for on cars in the Supra's price range. If I had an extra $100k to add to the budget, maybe I'd care more about what he had to say.

Edit: At the end of the video he goes through the list of option that brings the total to $180k and says "great spec". Okay thanks for the advice.

antonio88x said:

edit: At the end of the video he goes through the list of option that brings the total to $180k and says "great spec". Okay thanks for the advice.

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I can understand your point on this. Matt grew up extremely privileged and sometimes you get a hint of that in his reviews. It also doesn't help that he gets to drive the best of the best so when you're comparing a 55k supra to a 180k amg it's not really a fair fight. His dad is the COO of Ralph Lauren if that gives you any insight to his up bringing

Mountain_Bound said:

I can understand your point on this. Matt grew up extremely privileged and sometimes you get a hint of that in his reviews. It also doesn't help that he gets to drive the best of the best so when you're comparing a 55k supra to a 180k amg it's not really a fair fight. His dad is the COO of Ralph Lauren if that gives you any insight to his up bringing

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Wow I had no idea of this background. Not a bad place to start off in life! I'm sure he works hard, but I'm sure he's also had a few doors opened for him or has been introduced to the right people early on. When I watch reviews from people that start more grass roots (StraightPipes for example) I get a sense they understand the common man.

I dont think its a matter of having access to supercars. I did drive Ferraris, Porsches, 500+hp cars and can appreciate cars from any price range. Good journalist who lives from this should too, thats expected. He dont even know what tires are on the car, in what size, where is the rev limiter, where is the power... cmon, thats a lack of basics of any kind, 0 research. He just says random words. Besides, watching his hands on steering wheel in corners make my eyes bleed.

antonio88x said:

Wow I had no idea of this background. Not a bad place to start off in life! I'm sure he works hard, but I'm sure he's also had a few doors opened for him or has been introduced to the right people early on. When I watch reviews from people that start more grass roots (StraightPipes for example) I get a sense they understand the common man.

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Exactly. Matt definitely seems to work hard and I do respect his opinion but I don't doubt for a second he's had some help along the way. Not sure how much you follow him but he's currently building a huge car storage with multi-stack car lifts in Venice Beach. Been a multi-year project and I'm sure not cheap. I would bet having his dad and the people you surround yourself with at that level really helps build a business like that. I occasionally listen to his podcast and you get a little bit of his privilege after he gets into the bourbon and starts talking about private tennis lessons and family vacations in Europe and such while growing up.

Love the straight pipes guys. Definitely more of your blue collar type car reviewers.

The only corner case is Doug DeMuro, even Matt and Savage geese wonder why Doug is so damn popular.

Camus said:

The only corner case is Doug DeMuro, even Matt and Savage geese wonder why Doug is so damn popular.

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THISSSSSSSS! is why.

But seriously, he's just a damn good reviewer. Better than Matt that's for sure. He looks at everything not just how fast it goes and how it handles and if it's a Porsche or not.

Camus said:

The only corner case is Doug DeMuro, even Matt and Savage geese wonder why Doug is so damn popular.

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Doug DeMuro could drop off the face of the earth and I wouldn’t shed a tear. Can’t stand him.

antonio88x said:

I used to watch most of his videos. But now I realize he's gotten too spoiled with driving truly incredible cars. Like okay, let me buy a 100k Cayman GT4 so I can get a "comparable" new 6 cylinder sports car. And his part about the "identity crisis" told me that he doesn't understand that its SUPPOSED to be daily capable car. If it was "focused" and all the other adjectives, it would probably drive like crap on the road. Dude needs to take a step back and reassess a little.

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So true... +1

I remember when I bought my focus RS, Farah purchased one (to get the hits) and then sold it.

He is a sensationalist who brings attention with his reviews to get the hits on his channel. Seems to be the norm these days in YouTube. I thumbs down his reviews always.

Just move on (nothing to see here) and don't take his words for real.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/toyotas-iconic-supra-gets-an-entry-level-upgrade-11595596000

Any1 got access to post full article?

Islindur said:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/toyotas-iconic-supra-gets-an-entry-level-upgrade-11595596000

Any1 got access to post full article?

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By


Dan Neil

July 24, 2020 9:06 am ET
ALL HUMANS are mortal. Socrates is human. Therefore Socrates might be in the market for an attainably priced sports car.

The pandemic reminds us of the fragility of life but also its temporality, the end-dates of our pleasures. The Bible benchmarks the well-lived life at threescore and 10. So if I’m ever going to own that Lancia Aurelia B24 I better get cracking.

For gearheads, the debut of the softer GR Supra 2.0 isn’t something to live for. But they are wrong.

Zeitgeist alert: When the poet Horace published the phrase carpe diem—“seize the day”—Rome was emerging from decades of civil war, real legion-on-legion mayhem. When the English poet Robert Herrick published “To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time” (1647) he was living in Westminster, London, where lodging was cheap because of the many sudden vacancies. Plague, you know.

It’s too soon to tell if there will be a YOLO-inspired mini-trend of buyers out there, scratching their dream-car itch with Jeep Gladiators, Corvette Stingrays…. Or even our test car this week, the 2021Toyota GR Supra 2.0, saucy minx that it is. But in many ways, it’s the midprice sports car to have if you are only having one before you die.

For those just tuning in: Two decades after “The Fast and the Furious” (2001) made the fourth-gen Supra a nerdy icon, Toyota brought back the nameplate for the 2020 model year, affixing it to the sweet hinder of a car sharing rear-drive mechanicals with the BMW Z4 convertible. Those bits include the superb turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six and ZF multi-mode eight-speed automatic transmission, to which Toyota applied its own proprietary tunings.

One such parameter was horsepower. So as not to tread on the cape of project-partner Z4, Toyota initially restrained the 3.0-liter’s output to 335 hp, a respectable interval below the Bavarian roadster (382 hp). Likewise, the first year’s price ($49,990) kept its distance from the Z4 3.0 ($63,700).

For 2021, Toyota has shuffled the cards a bit. The new entry point is the GR Supra 2.0 (starting at $42,990), powered by a BMW-sourced, turbocharged 2.0-liter four, with its output parametrized at 255 hp and 295 lb-ft (at 1,550 rpm). The performance-parts list is likewise dialed back: no torque-vectoring rear differential; no adaptive suspension; smaller front brakes. With the smaller engine and these bobs, the 2.0-liter weighs 219 fewer pounds, yet still manages to retain near-perfect 50/50 weight distribution.

Meanwhile, the 3.0-liter’s wick has been turned up another 47 hp (to 382), which the company says is sufficient to shave a couple ticks off 0-60 mph acceleration, from 4.1 to 3.9 seconds. Gather citations while ye may.

I know for a lot of gearheads, the debut of the softer, slower GR Supra 2.0 is hardly something to live for. But they are wrong. Compared with the 3.0-liter, the 2.0-liter represents the most painless $8,000 you could never spend.

For one thing, what makes this car interesting isn’t its lap times but its ardent and fearless styling: the bullet nose/codpiece; the fighter-jet canopy; the seemingly pomaded filip of the rear wing; the rear fender flares, exposed like hips peeking through a high skirt slit.

Point is, the four and six-cylinder cars are virtually indistinguishable from the outside. Even the tire widths are the same. Among the few tells: the 2.0-liter’s 18-inch wheels, down from 19 inches; also, different exterior mirror caps and exhaust outlets. But your friends would have to be unbearably knowledgeable to tell.

To the parents pushing prams around my neighborhood in 100-degree weather, our red test car proved irresistible, more inviting than a daiquiri-dispensing lawn sprinkler. If I may translate from their series of gargling, Homer-like noises: They loved the tartness of the design in such a small package; they liked the intimacy of the cabin; they adored the fact that there is no practical way to fit in a child’s car seat.

The vox pop on car styling often surprises. To me, the GR Supra’s exterior styling has always looked dissonant and cartoonish. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you “Chewed Wad,” by Claes Oldenburg. But guess what? No one cares…

Nor did any of these admirers bemoan the paucity of cylinders or tawdry lack of rear torque vectoring.

I had a track day with first-year GR Supras at an event in Virginia last year. My notes say the car felt a little heavy, a little down on power, and kind of synthetic at the limit, as the dynamics software checked me here and there. But it was lively, capable of drifting and tail-wagging antics coming out of corners, with gutsy torque, refined revs, and perfect, robotized gear changes, thudding like boxing gloves on headgear. Still, I couldn’t imagine an owner wanting to wear out all these lux-y, high-end parts on a track.

The 2.0-liter isn’t as hooked up (5.0 seconds, 0-60 mph) and it doesn’t have the happy power oversteer (open rear differential). But it is still a hoot to drive, a little wild pony, with a brisk, if not snappy, steering response off-center (love that); snubbed down body motions, rolling in and out of corners; and loads of lateral grip. You have to really load up on cornering forces to squeak in these sneakers.

Moi? I would prefer the 2.0 liter. Eight-thousand dollars is still a lot of money. I still have my hot-air balloon lessons to pay for. And for all the performance I could safely and sanely squeeze out on the streets, the two are about the same.

But what if, let’s say, I did want to take the four-cylinder to some tracks days? From the outset Toyota engineered the GR Supra to be amateur-motorsports friendly—to be tuned, upgraded and augmented by factory and aftermarket performance mods. The 2.0’s smaller brakes and wheel/tire sets would be no problem for enthusiasts. They would get burned up during the first track weekend. Stock struts and dampers? Gone. The stereo would get binned too.

Tempus fugit, y’all.


2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0

2021 GR Supra 2.0PHOTO: TOYOTA

Base Price: $42,990

Price, as Tested: $47,430 (incl. destination and delivery)

Engine and Transmission: 2.0-liter turbocharged direct-injected inline four with variable cam phasing; eight-speed automatic with manual shift mode; rear-wheel drive

Power/Torque: 255 hp at 5,000 rpm/295 lb-ft at 1,550 rpm

Length/Width/Height/Wheelbase:172.5/73.0/50.9/97.2 inches

Curb Weight: 3,181 pounds

0-60 mph: 5 seconds

Average Fuel Economy: 26 mpg (observed)

Luggage Capacity: 10.2 cubic feet

Write to Dan Neil at [email protected]

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