👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

Axix23 · Jul 29, 2020

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Dannyvandelft said:
A lot. 0-60 might be ok if 60 can be reached in 2nd gear, but beyond that it'll really be a lot slower. The manual will be for the "purists" lol. Don't expect many of them to sell. You have to remember, a ton of people crying about it on the internet how "it's just a BMW" and "it has to have a stick" can barely afford a new 86, let alone a Supra. They all want a manual Supra, but if they're able to afford it, is a whole other matter. I've driven manuals my whole driving life, cars and semi trucks, and it's just a huge step backwards. Next thing you know people will want drum brakes instead of disc

^^ you hit the money on this. I knew a guy crying about how he is waiting for a 6 speed to come out but he even if it did, he couldn’t afford one! People crying about the bmw crap, they drive shit boxes.

justbake · Jul 29, 2020

Not all manuals are created equal. They would be stupid to gear the 6mt for 0-60 times. It makes the gearing too tall and actually ruins the driving engagement it sets out to achieve.

Mountain_Bound · Jul 29, 2020

Dannyvandelft said:
You have to remember, a ton of people crying about it on the internet how "it's just a BMW" and "it has to have a stick" can barely afford a new 86, let alone a Supra. They all want a manual Supra, but if they're able to afford it, is a whole other matter

Axix23 said:
you hit the money on this. I knew a guy crying about how he is waiting for a 6 speed to come out but he even if it did, he couldn’t afford one! People crying about the bmw crap, they drive shit boxes.

This is exactly how I feel regarding all the hate for the mk5 Supra. Most the people complaining couldn't afford one anyways and like you've mentioned, drive absolute shit boxes.

Ultimateone · Jul 29, 2020

Axix23 said:
^^ you hit the money on this. I knew a guy crying about how he is waiting for a 6 speed to come out but he even if it did, he couldn’t afford one! People crying about the bmw crap, they drive shit boxes.

That's everyone on r/cars

Jeff Lange · Jul 29, 2020

If given the choice between the 2.0 with a manual and the 3.0 without, I would go 2.0.

Hate when that's the choice I have to make though.

Jeff

Islindur · Jul 29, 2020

I checked acceleration differences between auto Z4 20i and manual 20i, 0-60 difference is said to be 0.2s so manual 2.0 Supra should do 0-60 in around 5.2s and 0-100kph in around 5.4-5.5s. Also I'd expect 1/4 mile time to be up from around 13.5s for auto to something like 13.8-13.9 for manual. For comparo: PDK base 718 does 1/4 in around 12.6s and manual in 12.8s, despite being against PDK which is even faster than Supra 8ZF. So manual shouldnt be much slower actually, max 0.5-1s to 200imo, depending on shifting ofc.

Dannyvandelft · Jul 29, 2020

justbake said:
Not all manuals are created equal. They would be stupid to gear the 6mt for 0-60 times. It makes the gearing too tall and actually ruins the driving engagement it sets out to achieve.

Gearing will be tall regardless. You're going from 8 gears to 6. And usually 6th is an overdrive so you're really looking at 5 gears. The gearing will absolutely be done for 0-60 times. If they didn't, a 3.0 manual would be as slow to 60 as a 2.0 auto. Sure you can thrash the gearbox into the next gear for optimal times, but it won't be able to do that all the time, where the auto can, and will. In the real world, with real world driving, the manual will be a second slower. At least.

justbake · Jul 29, 2020

Dannyvandelft said:
Gearing will be tall regardless. You're going from 8 gears to 6. And usually 6th is an overdrive so you're really looking at 5 gears. The gearing will absolutely be done for 0-60 times. If they didn't, a 3.0 manual would be as slow to 60 as a 2.0 auto. Sure you can thrash the gearbox into the next gear for optimal times, but it won't be able to do that all the time, where the auto can, and will. In the real world, with real world driving, the manual will be a second slower. At least.

I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.

I’d rather having a slow manual than one a manual that is geared too tall to rev out.

And of course manuals are slower than autos, we don’t have to address it in every comment

Dannyvandelft · Jul 29, 2020

justbake said:
I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.

I’d rather having a slow manual than one a manual that is geared too tall to rev out.

And of course manuals are slower than autos, we don’t have to address it in every comment

I get what you're saying. I think the 2.0 would benefit more from a manual. It gets the auto with the 3.0 gearing. If someone isn't worried about a slower transmission, a less powerful engine shouldn't be a problem then either. A GRMN with a manual doesn't make sense to me however. What would in turn make sense, is to give the 3.0 a manual, when the GRMN launches, since that'll be the top dog then. Kinda like how Porsche gave the new Cayman GT4 a manual, now the PDK only GT4 RS is coming.

justbake · Jul 29, 2020

Dannyvandelft said:
I get what you're saying. I think the 2.0 would benefit more from a manual. It gets the auto with the 3.0 gearing. If someone isn't worried about a slower transmission, a less powerful engine shouldn't be a problem then either. A GRMN with a manual doesn't make sense to me however. What would in turn make sense, is to give the 3.0 a manual, when the GRMN launches, since that'll be the top dog then. Kinda like how Porsche gave the new Cayman GT4 a manual, now the PDK only GT4 RS is coming.

I’m was really only talking about the 3.0, not the 2.0. There is no performance benefit, but it’s not about performance.

You have it reversed, the GT4 was only 6MT

Dannyvandelft · Jul 29, 2020

justbake said:
I’m was really only talking about the 3.0, not the 2.0. There is no performance benefit, but it’s not about performance.

You have it reversed, the GT4 was only 6MT

Yeah I got that backwards. They added the PDK later.

KahnBB6 · Jul 29, 2020

This is not specifically Supra MKV manual related but this article does an excellent job of explaining the attitude and sentiment of people who still want manual transmission cars:

https://jalopnik.com/you-can-still-love-manual-transmissions-no-matter-what-1844546755

Also I do feel the best thing Toyota can do is offer a manual on the volume sale Supra 3.0 in addition to the 2.0. Even if the manual only comes in 258hp 2.0L trim, Toyota needs to adjust the gearing, add back a true LSD rear end and the 3.0‘s suspension and brakes. Maybe the four cylinder will even get its own power bump when it’s launched with a manual? That would be good too.

But also with the limited GRMN model, while it will be getting a DCT anyway a manual transmission option for it would make totally delightful irrational sense in the same way the GRMN in any form is a delightfully irrational thing.

Islindur · Jul 29, 2020

KahnBB6 said:
This is not specifically Supra MKV manual related but this article does an excellent job of explaining the attitude and sentiment of people who still want manual transmission cars:

https://jalopnik.com/you-can-still-love-manual-transmissions-no-matter-what-1844546755

Also I do feel the best thing Toyota can do is offer a manual on the volume sale Supra 3.0 in addition to the 2.0. Even if the manual only comes in 258hp 2.0L trim, Toyota needs to adjust the gearing, add back a true LSD rear end and the 3.0‘s suspension and brakes. Maybe the four cylinder will even get its own power bump when it’s launched with a manual? That would be good too.

But also with the limited GRMN model, while it will be getting a DCT anyway a manual transmission option for it would make totally delightful irrational sense in the same way the GRMN in any form is a delightfully irrational thing.

So You basically wanna turn 2.0 into almost 3.0 with all those upgrades while adding mass in the process

It would have been more expensive too, still having 2.0 engine. I'd leave 2.0 as it is, maybe add mechanical LSD. Let owners mod the rest to their liking. Biggest appeal of 2.0 for me is 1395kg weight, rest I will sort out myself. Thats why manual is even more interesting coz it should weight even less. Fuji Speedway edition for EU (its basically 3.0 with 2.0 engine) that has all 3.0 goodies U ask for weights 1470kg. Just 30kg less, while having 258hp. Dunno if its the way to go.
I agree manual should be geared properly, preferably short.
Manual option for GRMN is a good idea.

KahnBB6 · Jul 30, 2020

Islindur said:
So You basically wanna turn 2.0 into almost 3.0 with all those upgrades while adding mass in the process
It would have been more expensive too, still having 2.0 engine. I'd leave 2.0 as it is, maybe add mechanical LSD. Let owners mod the rest to their liking. Biggest appeal of 2.0 for me is 1395kg weight, rest I will sort out myself. Thats why manual is even more interesting coz it should weight even less. Fuji Speedway edition for EU (its basically 3.0 with 2.0 engine) that has all 3.0 goodies U ask for weights 1470kg. Just 30kg less, while having 258hp. Dunno if its the way to go.
I agree manual should be geared properly, preferably short.
Manual option for GRMN is a good idea.

That's pretty much what I'm suggesting, yes

While the 3.0L can be said to be enjoyable at its stock power level before any tuning even begins I think the 2.0L will need a tune for more power right off the bat and possibly even some turbo hardware changes. Weight and weight distribution I agree will probably be very good compared to the 3.0L.

The 2.0L manual definitely needs a mechanical LSD at minimum as standard though, with the auto or manual. That's currently a glaring error that has got to be rectified now by 2.0L owners already.

Agreed that a manual GRMN is a good idea but as we know it will definitely get a DCT or other auto offering for sure even if a manual GRMN is available as well.

Islindur · Jul 30, 2020

KahnBB6 said:
Agreed that a manual GRMN is a good idea but as we know it will definitely get a DCT or other auto offering for sure even if a manual GRMN is available as well.

Should give both options, auto for fastest possible lap times, manual for more engagement and let customers chose what they prefer.

👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

Only interested if it comes in manual?

Yes - must have manual

No - the auto is what I want

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