All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

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I meant that price range for the desirable version of the Z. The one with 400 hp (base q50s or 60 don't have that) and decent features. I am sure Nissan is gonna come out with some striped out car but to me those aren't what I'd be looking for. I can see them discounting the 400 TT Z from q60 based on the fact that its a Nissan and that their sales are trash (especially for Infiniti) but I don't see them giving it away to anyone.

Does Nissan have some 4 banger that they can throw into the "lesser"/cheaper car or will it be strictly different tunes for different trims? Or we just don't know?
I really don't think they will sell the 400hp variant for less than $45k. But in theory they could make the 400hp version a lot cheaper than we think since the 400hp version is nearly identical to the 300hp version so the production costs aren't too far off from each other. They could try to make a huge splash in the market by undercutting everything with a 400hp version at $40k as a performance bargain, like they did with the GTR when it was released.

Nissan does not have a longitudinal 4 cylinder, but I could see them doing something with their VC 4 cylinder (248hp) rotated 90 degree, thus making it longitudinal (I shouldn't have to add that last part but I didn't want some smarty-know-it-all to think I was implying FWD)
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Although I am a HUGE Nissan and Z fan (owned quite a few Zā€™s actually)....a ~$45k Twin Turbo Z making 400hp with that modern of an interior, all while being built in Japan....somethingā€™s gotta give. Letā€™s hope the reliability/durability department isnā€™t ā€œdefundedā€ with this new management like Ghosnā€™s management did.
 

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I've always preferred the Z cars to the Supra through the 80s and 90s.

I've had a 350 and a 370. Loved them both. It's definitely the other way around today. However, an actual production model may change my mind about this newest version...
 

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Although I am a HUGE Nissan and Z fan (owned quite a few Zā€™s actually)....a ~$45k Twin Turbo Z making 400hp with that modern of an interior, all while being built in Japan....somethingā€™s gotta give. Letā€™s hope the reliability/durability department isnā€™t ā€œdefundedā€ with this new management like Ghosnā€™s management did.
If it's anything like the rivalry of the 90's, 45K sounds about right compared to the MKV Supra. The Z Proto looks like it's offered with a simplified trim; cloth/vinyl seats.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...a-vs-the-best-sports-cars-of-the-early-1990s/
 

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If it's anything like the rivalry of the 90's, 45K sounds about right compared to the MKV Supra. The Z Proto looks like it's offered with a simplified trim; cloth/vinyl seats.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...a-vs-the-best-sports-cars-of-the-early-1990s/
I donā€™t think the Zā€™s interior will match the MKVā€™s, but if it does....it wonā€™t cost $45k. If they make a base model with cloth seats and 350Z plastics, them maybe. To rival the MKV (overall), the new Z will not only need to have the muscle under the hood, it will need a proper interior. For $45k, I truly believe that canā€™t happen nowadays....especially from Japan.

Iā€™ve been wrong before.
 

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I dont think the nismo 370z is a good judge of pricing. Not only is it incredibly overpriced ($12k more than the 370z sport with very little increase in performance) there will more than likely be several trims, packages, and options.

I still think it will be cheaper than $39.5, which is the Q60 MSRP $41k minus the additional $1500 Nissan charges for auto 370z's over 6mt models
 

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I dont think the nismo 370z is a good judge of pricing. Not only is it incredibly overpriced ($12k more than the 370z sport with very little increase in performance) there will more than likely be several trims, packages, and options.

I still think it will be cheaper than $39.5, which is the Q60 MSRP $41k minus the additional $1500 Nissan charges for auto 370z's over 6mt models
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I donā€™t think the Zā€™s interior will match the MKVā€™s, but if it does....it wonā€™t cost $45k. If they make a base model with cloth seats and 350Z plastics, them maybe. To rival the MKV (overall), the new Z will not only need to have the muscle under the hood, it will need a proper interior. For $45k, I truly believe that canā€™t happen nowadays....especially from Japan.

Iā€™ve been wrong before.
Based of the interior alone and the exterior blandness, it's going with a more lower cost approach. The interior looks a lot better then the MKV making the MKV look like a second thought and not well thought out design.

The Z Proto
-The dash has a nice form and flow to it.
-The infosystem is actually integrated into the center dash and not plopped on the top of the dash like most cars
-The center console has both driver and passenger knee pads symmetrically placed
-The 3 gauge pods are strategically placed like the old 240z yet aimed towards the driver
-Nice sporty concave 3 spoke steering wheel with controls
-Muffhucking 6... speed... manual transmission to row with a nice round cue ball type shiftknob!!

I see a lot of similar plastics, cloth vinyl trim as other Nissan models. Z's have been priced lower then Supras. I think the main issue would be ADM when they hit the dealerships.
 

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Based of the interior alone and the exterior blandness, it's going with a more lower cost approach. The interior looks a lot better then the MKV making the MKV look like a second thought and not well thought out design.

The Z Proto
-The dash has a nice form and flow to it.
-The infosystem is actually integrated into the center dash and not plopped on the top of the dash like most cars
-The center console has both driver and passenger knee pads symmetrically placed
-The 3 gauge pods are strategically placed like the old 240z yet aimed towards the driver
-Nice sporty concave 3 spoke steering wheel with controls
-Muffhucking 6... speed... manual transmission to row with a nice round cue ball type shiftknob!!

I see a lot of similar plastics, cloth vinyl trim as other Nissan models. Z's have been priced lower then Supras. I think the main issue would be ADM when they hit the dealerships.
Keep in mind, this Z is still in ā€œprotoā€ stage. Alot can change...not necessarily in a positive direction. Just sayin.
 

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Keep in mind, this Z is still in ā€œprotoā€ stage. Alot can change...not necessarily in a positive direction. Just sayin.
Better then concept stage. ;)

I really hope they massage the front to look like this. Huge homage to the 240Z with the cup headlights, the drop down hoodline, the colormatched roof and no chrome trim nonsense. Add a rear wiper and ducktail the hatch a little more.

This shit right here... :drive:

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Better then concept stage. ;)

I really hope they massage the front to look like this. Huge homage to the 240Z with the cup headlights, the drop down hoodline, the colormatched roof and no chrome trim nonsense. Add a rear wiper and ducktail the hatch a little more.

This shit right here... :drive:

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That is a beautiful rendering! Honestly, if Nissan can pull this off under $50k, they should consider doing the same with the GTR. Make a $75k GTR without all the fancy interior stuff. Would sell like hotcakes.
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