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  1. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Then youre in the wrong thread. This thread is about Chris Harris's view of the Supra and why he is disappointed in it in comparison to his rejoice of the GR Yaris. The "what ifs" directly relate to how Toyota could have satisfied his complaints. I understand the "what ifs" are pointless and do...
  2. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Stop being pedantic, there is a middle ground between 100% BMW and 100% Toyota. You just read my comment where I said this
  3. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    I never said it had to be a Lexus
  4. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    The problem here is that they teased us with a super car, they even brought the FT-1 to SILV. I understand Calty was unaware of what was happening with BMW, but Toyota should have halted their efforts much sooner
  5. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Why didn't Toyota make that car when the partnered with BMW? They didn't have to make the Supra the same size as the Z4, this is scalable architecture after all . They could have made it just slightly larger to compete against the same cars it used to. Take that a step further and put in the...
  6. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Lets not forget about the A70 fans either. As someone who has owned an A70 since 99, I think there is more that goes into the Supra nameplate than just 2 doors and an inline 6. Not that this car isn't a Supra, I am just saying you can't slap a Supra badge on a car without expecting a fair dose...
  7. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Except this time it is no longer a GT car representing new Toyota development. This is definitely a case of Chris Harris’s expectations being set too high, but that is what happens when you tease the return of your halo car with a halo car and deliver a car that does not compete with other halo...
  8. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    I think this is something a lot of people overlook. Regardless of how good of car it is, the fact the car moved down market is something a lot of people would find disappointing. The Supra squared up with the 911 at that time, and the car that was known for being a smaller more affordable 911...
  9. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    I do agree that he is overly harsh about the Supra, but the context in which he speaks is important here and it is what I think most people here are missing. He is not saying the Supra is a bad car by any means. He is saying the car lacks the Supra identity and does not differentiate itself...
  10. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Feel free to explain then, I have read it twice and I still think is a ridiculous argument and does not address implied development progress over 27 years. Find me a single modern car that isn't better in those categories than its 1993 counterpart across the board.
  11. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    None of this is relevant since Chris Harris does not take a stance on the old Supra vs new Supra.
  12. Chris Harris on GR Yaris and Supra.

    Although I do not fully agree or disagree with what he said, I do believe there is a perfectly healthy middle ground between 100% BMW parts and 100% Toyota parts to represent the best of what Toyota has to offer while sharing development costs. To be clear this is not a BMW complaint, I think...
  13. Visual Comparison: Nissan Z vs Toyota Supra

    of course the 300hp Z will be no match for the the 382 Supra. I’m going to go out on a limb and say they aren’t trying to beat the 3.0 Supra with the 300hp Z and instead are targeting the 2.0 Supra with that trim. Assuming the 300hp Z is positioned below the Q60 base coupe, that would mean the...
  14. Visual Comparison: Nissan Z vs Toyota Supra

    Again, we have to be clear on which trim we are talking about.
  15. Visual Comparison: Nissan Z vs Toyota Supra

    There are perfectly valid reasons behind choosing a Z over a Supra regardless of the Supra being better. 1. They are Nissan fans. 2. 6MT. 3. People want to financially support Nissan for making this product in house. 4. Styling/Design.
  16. Visual Comparison: Nissan Z vs Toyota Supra

    I direct conversion from yen to usd isn't so straight forward. It is best to compare prices in Japan for a better comparison For reference the 4 cylinder Supra starts at 4.9 million yen, the 6 cylinder is 6.9 million, and the GRMN to be well above that. ■ Estimated price of the new Fairlady Z...
  17. New Nissan Z Proto looks to the future, inspired by its past

    Especially with the new GR86 and 230i coming out as well, there is no reason to buy a 4 cylinder supra when the Z, GR86, and 230i will all have manual options for the same price or cheaper.
  18. New Nissan Z Proto looks to the future, inspired by its past

    That’s undercutting the Supra across the board. For reference the 4 cylinder Supra starts at 4.9 million yen, the 6 cylinder is 6.9 million, and the GRMN to be well above that.
  19. Does 4 cyl Supra take away or add to the brand?

    I do agree gatekeeping 2.0 Supras is rather ridiculous, but Toyota should not be praised for half-assing this model because it has further implications than just this car. This is still a flagship car regardless of trim and it should have had more attention during development. The sad part is...


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