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I agree completely. I drive my Supra in manual mode 100%. Love it.

Another reason I think, is because of BMW themselves. If the 3.0 Supra was offered with a manual, that could take buyers away from the M2 manual.

No no no no no lol!

Awesome!! Let's hope for the same result tomorrow, only with Lulu out of the points.

Sure, I've brought it up, because it's part of the conversation. But not the be all, end all of it. But, you're right. We do need more info. Comparisons, reviews, all that good stuff. But those will 99% be of the fully loaded proto or performance versions. I doubt we'll see many bare base models...

If all you care about is 0-60 times, sure. I'm more interested in lap times. Fit and finish, quality, that kinda stuff. If I only used a car to go from 0-60, that would be great. But my drive is longer than 3.8 seconds :rofl:

As it should be. You get a lot more car for the money. Difference is, in the Z you get cheap Nissan shit that isn't worth $30k, let alone 40+ while with the Supra you get quality BMW stuff that under a BMW badge would cost $70k plus. Go spec a Z4 with a B58 and see what you would pay lol.

That's taxes and fees included. The MSRP was likely around $58k

Nothing wrong with it at all. The whole "more connected" thing is a bunch of BS though. There's absolutely no difference between pulling a paddle to upshift, or move your hand a few inches and do it with a lever instead, which you can do in the Supra too, if you MUST have a phallic object in...

That's what I meant. The RX-8 is the same as the BRZ/GT86/FR-S. I didn't mean the same as the 2.0 Supra.

George better slow down ? Lewis will be crying even harder to Toto now more than ever to keep Bottas in that seat.

Cost cutting lol.

I've owned 2 Mazda RX-8's which are essentially the same thing. I get the cheaper thing. I'm just talking generally speaking, which the sales figures agree with. The 2.0 (in the U.S.) is waaaay too niche of a market because the cheaper purchase price is literally it's only advantage. In places...

I certainly don't, but you know how it goes. The 2.0 didn't sell anyway, so nothing lost. As mentioned before, that option only makes sense in countries that tax engine sizes. BMW quality isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than Nissan. And you pay for that, and not even nearly as...

To be fair, that's how the Z is marketed by YouTubers. As the "Supra killer with a manual" so of course that's going to be a huge part of the Z vs Supra conversation. I'd go as far as to say it's the only reason anyone would buy a Z over a Supra. Certainly won't be because of looks, or...

There is no explaining it. Like talking to a retarded wall. Next they'll be wanting drum brakes, cassette decks, wind up windows, no air-conditioning, because in the 80's cars were just better ?

Thank you. The RX-8 is a long time ago. Was a great handling car. Not so fast though. This was my first one. I had an R3 too at one point. The STI was boring on track to be honest. Too easy with the AWD lol. You could just throw it into a corner, and you could feel the computer sending the power...

Yup! I'm just talking, having no track experience whatsoever :rofl: I have STI track pictures somewhere too, but I honestly can't be bothered. Point is, you're an idiot. Any moron can go in a straight line, you're proof of that. Buying a car for cash, while you could be tripling your money...

Like, the ignorance and arrogance to say you're better in a manual than a transmission that literally shifts faster than you can blink? That kind? What were Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, Porsche, Nissan, thinking when they put paddle shifts only in their high performance cars, or in some...

Good luck with that.