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Yup. And torque wins races.

So that's already less than the 2021 supra

Yeah I guess that's a good point to look at it like that.

I don't even think the Supra sales should be worried. The Z just won't be in that class, based on the previous 2 gens. The fit and finish won't be there, and the performance most likely will fall short too. The sales that should be worried, are those of the 86/BRZ. If the Z really starts at...

The 370 platform was already inferior on the 370 itself. On paper it all looks good, but in the real world it's just not gonna hang with a 3.0 Supra. Unless they extensively improved the platform itself, I don't see it happening.

Yeah we'll have the particulate filters before long.

Because you dumbasses can't be trusted with either :rofl:

21's already put out over 400. 388 wheel on 93 octane as dyno'd, X 1.08 (8 percent drivetrain loss) is roughly 419 horsepower. The more important number is torque. The Q60 Red Sport with the same engine is a second slower to 60 than the 3.0 Supra so the lighter Z will probably be a little...

Good job Max and RBR!

There was mention of an AWD hot hatch too since Subaru ditched the hatch version of the WRX/STI. Toyota could potentially make the hatch version of the new WRX/STI set to debut soon as well. Coincidence? No such thing ;)

How about a GR MR2? Boxers obviously work in a mid-engine configuration.

Subaru STI drivetrain in a Toyota. The Celica GR-Four! I would put a deposit down, IMMEDIATELY.

I don't launch aggressively. I let it roll slightly before I floor it. No wheelspin. I like playing with it around corners a lot more. Let the back step out. No wheel hop, just smooth controllable slides.

That has been my setting since day one. Everything sport except dampers.

They'll update the idrive to include Android auto, maybe slap in a digital display, refresh the look a bit and call it a day. There's a small possibility of a manual I guess. Then of course the GRMN will squash any would be competition immediately.

Same reason a 400 hp Audi is $65k. Quality. The 350 and 370 are cheap and plastic. This will be no different. The Supra has a BMW interior, and that's what you pay for, and not even that much. If BMW would've made the Supra alone, and called it a Z4 Coupe, it would be $70k instead of $55k. You...

:thumbsdown: Yup. Don't know which front end is worse, the Z or the BMW 4 series

"370Z with a bodykit" well that says it all really. Toyota has nothing to worry about lol.

I ordered from Amazon. With an OEM filter. I just bought a 5 quart jug, and a box of 6 single quarts. Dump the 5 quart and 2 singles, done. Next 2 changes just buy a 5 quart jug each since I have 4 singles left.

Well you might want to check your fact checker, because he certainly was. He just didn't get convicted in the trials that followed. His acquittal didn't mean he wasn't impeached.