Camaro SS and Corvette BANNED from EU

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  1. Bryster

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    Wow. Maybe GM needs to consider an alternative global engine for their Camaro which can match the 6.2L pushrod's power. I hear Cadillac has more twin turbo V6 engines than they know what to do with. Shove one of those in there to continue sales.

    It would be different from a naturally aspirated V8 but if, say, the V6TT from the last Cadillac ATS-V were to be dropped in (assuming it will pass new EU emissions rules) right there you have a 464hp Camaro to sell. I know the engineering and homologation are much more complicated than that but in principle there IS still a way to offer the Camaro.

    Meanwhile they already have a less powerful but not at all under-powered V6 Camaro with over 300hp. Weird that they aren't selling that one there already. Maybe it's the extremely low take rate compared to the globalized Mustang. I'm willing to bet that has a lot to do with this.

    The article didn't say anything about the Mustang falling victim to the same stop-sale over the emissions output of its Coyote 5.0 V8.

    The Corvette C8 looks to cure the temporary shortage of the C7 in the EU but it's also a totally different car. And while GM has patented a method of offering it with a manual they so far have not. Either way it will undoubtedly clear the new emissions standards handily being a brand new design.
     
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    Wow... Sports cars as we know them will go through some rough times ahead
     
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    the weird part about the camaro here is that they never sold the 2.0 litre turbo with a manual. Generally in europe there are more manuals than autos and also the emission laws lead you to the 4 cylinder turbo of course. So i always wondered why.
     
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    The turbo 6 may work in some parts of the world but nobody that wants a V8 (especially an LS derivative) will settle for that. A flagship V6 in the Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger would go over like a fart in church in the states. While the platform is amazing, the pushrod V8 is getting long in the tooth and I think did a great job moving over to the modular motors when they did. By the time the Coyote came out, they had almost 20 years of experience with the modular, OHC design. I dont think it will be long before GM runs into the same emissions hurdle here in the states.
     
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    EU emissions regulations are getting tighter and tighter constantly. I think this is another reason why Toyota partnered with BMW, they already had straight 6s built in Europe to all the regulations to work from. It's also why they had to do this now as if they developed their own within the 3 years or so extra they are saying it would have taken the rules will likely be even tighter, and it's also why the Supra will likely be among the last of its kind as a new platform affordable sports car with pure combustion engine.

    Cars from the US seemingly have had a lot less restrictions and that's partly why they can push so much power so easily, if they were restricted the same as EU engines I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't match the 335hp B58.
     
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    California has some of the strictest if not the most strict emissions laws in the world. EU vehicles seem to focus on small engines with better fuel economy while we stuff much larger V8s (a 5.0 liter V8 is small) in everything with little to no care in regard to fuel economy on the performance line-up.
     
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    I figure if the 1986-1987 Buick Grand National with its 3.8L V6 turbo engine still has the enormous respect that it's garnered from when they were new and if Cadillac can make 464hp V6-TT powered ATS-V's with stick shifts then the Camaro can have its own very powerful V6-TT engine option in the lineup if that helps it meet new emissions standards.

    Don't get me wrong. I love NA V8's. They're awesome when they wind up both in power delivery and noise. But something that stands as the most important thing in my opinion is the survival of the particular car itself. In this case the Camaro.

    Ford doesn't seem to have this issue with their popular in Europe 5.0 Mustang but maybe it's only a matter of time even for the V8 versions of that car also. Ford did just come out with a 2.3T High Output model using things from the Focus RS parts bin.

    I'm just saying that if the Camaro as a great car needs a different or redesigned V6 twin turbo, NA V8 or twin turbo V8 engine that meets Euro emission standards to keep it alive then GM has plenty of options.

    Maybe it comes down to CO2 emissions entirely in which case as mentioned above large displacement engines are going to have some trouble.

    Then again... if large displacement engines will have trouble just for that reason then how do Ferrari and Lamborghini get away with their big displacement V12's?
     

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