Heck,i used to look down on the 86 for having a 4cyl...now i think it sounds great!Most of the negative comments center around "Its a BMW, not a Toyota", etc. I find this so comical. Everyone knew this was being co developed with BMW. So why are they so shocked now? What were they expecting? Plus with all the leaks I am pretty sure most people were pretty well informed but seems like everyone is so surprised by the Supra now.
Also, I feel this is just a passing cloud where all the trolls have their time. The exact same thing happened with the LFA and the 86. People hated it when the cars came out. But look at how they are received now.
I for one was really disappointed about the lack of Toyotas involvment. Instead of a balanced job split between Toyota and BMW, the end product is 99% BMW tech, assembled on a third party line (which will be even worse than a BMW plant in regards to build quality). People really shouldn't defend Toyota for their lazy badge engineering and outsourcing practices.Most of the negative comments center around "Its a BMW, not a Toyota", etc. I find this so comical. Everyone knew this was being co developed with BMW. So why are they so shocked now? What were they expecting? Plus with all the leaks I am pretty sure most people were pretty well informed but seems like everyone is so surprised by the Supra now.
I know, right? What have those Toyota engineers been doing for the last few years? Someone should check their time cards, because there's been serious mischarging going on. Everybody knows that they just sent a couple of sketches to BMW back in 2014 and said "Give us a call when it's ready." Damn shame.I for one was really disappointed about the lack of Toyotas involvment. Instead of a balanced job split between Toyota and BMW, the end product is 99% BMW tech, assembled on a third party line (which will be even worse than a BMW plant in regards to build quality). People really shouldn't defend Toyota for their lazy badge engineering and outsourcing practices.
The company building it is not just another third party line. It is Magna Steyr, the company that builds the 5-series, the G-wagen and once built the Rapide and the SLS. I think they know how to build a quality car that is up to your professional standards.I for one was really disappointed about the lack of Toyotas involvment. Instead of a balanced job split between Toyota and BMW, the end product is 99% BMW tech, assembled on a third party line (which will be even worse than a BMW plant in regards to build quality). People really shouldn't defend Toyota for their lazy badge engineering and outsourcing practices.
I personally am annoyed they called it a supra. I'm sure the car is going to be great and fun, but is it really a successor to the Supra with a BMW motor and trans?
I'm not sure if you were around in the 90's to remember, the MKIV went up against the big boys and made a valiant impression. It's very ignorant when people say FnF made the Supra. Why hasn't Mitsubishi Eclipse gone up in value then since that's what Brian drove as well. It didn't make the Supra a legend, it was already a legend by the end of 1993.In my opinion I think part of the issue is that Toyota did indeed build it for the "fans". The question is which fans? I think majority of the "fans" complaining the loudest remember the Supra, mainly the MK4 not for what it was, but for what it was capable of. Would any of those people be content with a bone stock MK4 back then or today? Probably not. How about a bone stock MK3, MK2, or MK1? I think we all know the answer to that. If the Supra specifically the MK4 never had any aftermarket support, never made any of the crazy power builds, this car would be nothing to anyone and everyone, except those who actually did enjoy the cars for what they were. I think Toyota had to juggle how to please both and that in itself is extremely difficult, because people forget the Japanese economic bubble was really the only reason cars like the Supra, Turbo Z, 3000GT, GTR, RX7, etc came into existence. A day gone by when Japanese manufactures had enough money to blow on R&D and lose on sales.
Pull up to a meet in a bone stock MK4, it might draw a crowd, only to see what is done to it. Once they find out its stock people scatter. If its automatic people run away. No one wants to admit this.