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I think a comforting thought with this car is not Toyota making a 50k GT86, but Toyota making a 50k 911. The weight and specs are within spitting distance with one another, and I think that was the goal. Not a bad one at all.
Cayman?
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I know the Cayman was the end all goal, but, the specs alongside the weight are on par with the 911 at nearly half the price. Both 991.1 and 991.2 are reaching 7::37 times on the ring and if the Supra can reach even a 7:43 time stock is a head turner.
 

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I know the Cayman was the end all goal, but, the specs alongside the weight are on par with the 911 at nearly half the price. Both 991.1 and 991.2 are reaching 7::37 times on the ring and if the Supra can reach even a 7:43 time stock is a head turner.
I just did a quick search on this, apparently the 991.1 Carrera had 345hp and 288lbft and weighed 1435kg. It's not a world away from the Supra. Sure that was the base spec, but even the Carrera S had less torque than the Supra and weighs the same as the Euro spec (1495kg if I remember right). It could turn out to be more of a 911 fighter than initially thought.
 

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I know the Cayman was the end all goal, but, the specs alongside the weight are on par with the 911 at nearly half the price. Both 991.1 and 991.2 are reaching 7::37 times on the ring and if the Supra can reach even a 7:43 time stock is a head turner.
I understand, just saying that looking at more than just track times these cars are incredibly similar.

A90
Wheelbase: 97.2 in.
Overall Length: 172.5 in.
Overall Width: 73.0 in.
Overall Height: 50.9 in.
Track Width Front: 62.8 in.
Track Width Rear: 62.6 in.
Curb Weight: 3,397 lbs.
0-60 mph: 4.1 seconds
HP: 335hp
Nürburgring: 7:40?

Cayman S
Wheelbase: 97.4 in.
Overall Length: 172 in.
Overall Width: 70.9 in.
Overall Height: 51 in.
Track Width Front: 60.1 in.
Track Width Rear: 60.6 in.
Curb Weight: 3,000 lbs.
0-60 mph: 4.0 seconds
HP: 350hp
Nürburgring: 7:47
 

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I mean, the race cars definitely have the vents in the front bumper opened and in use. I guess I'd have to see a statement where it was indicated that every vent can easily be opened and functional, in which case that would be nonsense yes.
 

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It's amazing someone on the Jalopnik comments had a brain.

The quotes in the R&T article didn’t seem to suggest this was a pop and go solution. Rather, if you were building a race car and were going to add brake ducts, etc., these fake vents are the suggested places to apply the sawzall.

The door one does look pretty much unusable for anything though.
 

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Here's the exact Tada quote from R&T that the Jalop piece was challenging :

"If you look at the vehicle today, there's holes all over the body," Tada said. "They're just capped on the production car. Those are for the racing model. When the customer goes and converts it to a racing car, or adds those necessary components, those caps come off very easily. So, it's already pre-made, ready to accommodate."

Torchinsky shows pretty convincingly that that isn't the case for several of the more prominent vents.
 

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Here's the exact Tada quote from R&T that the Jalop piece was challenging :

"If you look at the vehicle today, there's holes all over the body," Tada said. "They're just capped on the production car. those caps come off very easily. So, it's already pre-made, ready to accommodate."
This is what Jalopnik read and rushed to make an article to somehow stay correct in their own self-created narrative.
 

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Even worse? Wut
Yes. Shockingly, contract manufacturers usually produce lower quality than OEM plants.
Reasons: lower wages, lower skilled employees/workers, lots of temporary staff, no brand affiliation, dissatisfaction, complex hierachy, line of communication & problem solving processes,...

So out of a few possible production sites (Toyota plant/Japan; BMW plant/Germany; Contract manufacturer/Austria), they chose the worst one. Mixed with pure BMW tech, this is not something you want to keep after the warranty expired.
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