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I've covered this before, but I'll explain again. IMO, the car does not have enough Toyota. Some argue that an all out Toyota product would cost $100k and that the company would not move many units, and again the way I look at it - that's fine. This is not supposed to be a profit maker, thus for my bean counters comment earlier. Toyota pumps out millions of Camrys and Corollas every minute for that.

Then there's the BMW reliability factor, a company that historically lacks in this aspect, certainly from my experience. Will the changes made by Toyota improve this concern? Only time will tell. Thus far though, from all the images that I have seen the bay is a sea of plastic. Would have been nice to see more aluminum or other metals used for longevity sake.
As you stated back on one of your previous post, "Not everyone lives on the forums or stays up to date." I was just trying to understand your position. Not trying to argue here, just having a conversation.

So, I don't know if you've seen this article posted on another thread before: http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/why-toyota-didnt-build-its-own-supra/ but Tada-san addressed the not enough Toyota complaints.

"If we had gone that route, the car would not be done, even today. It wouldn’t be out for at least a few more years. The problem is, you can’t sell a car like I showed you today in 2021,” he told us. “Safety and emissions regulations are getting tighter and tighter every year.”

“We wanted to sell this car around the world,” Tada clarified. Indeed, the Supra will be a truly global car in a way the A80 never was. It will be sold in North America, Japan, Europe, Australia, South Africa, and Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam and Thailand.

“I already knew that 2019 to 2020 would be the deadline for this kind of car. It would be my last chance to develop a sports car of this kind, especially globally,” Tada-san told us. “So, I prioritized the time window first. After that, I made no compromises.”
I think your argument of exclusivity is a bit invalid to what makes the car a Supra. I'll argue the tuning potential and usability Tada-san engineered into the car is what makes it a Supra. The A80 was rarer because they didn't sell well. I'm glad you could find a silver lining within that fact, but Toyota obviously didn't feel the same way.

However, I don't think this car is supposed to be a huge profit maker like Camry's and RAV 4's. But, to make something from the ground up as a total loss, that would be offset by margins of higher selling cars, at the same time Toyota is heavily investing into electrification and automation, won't happen in 2019. IMO, the product is to at least have some sort of direction or purpose the business could use going forward.

Reliability and build quality wise, I agree time will tell. But, why would Toyota just drop a motor into a car from BMW without doing their own quality check? Also, keep in mind the A90 is more sports car oriented than the A80.

As I said before, I don't mind opposing opinions about the car. Keeps things balanced. I don't believe this forum is safe space for fans of the A90. But, opinions are stronger with substance, than "what I feel." Still entitled to it, but it's validity doesn't stretch as far.
 

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As you stated back on one of your previous post, "Not everyone lives on the forums or stays up to date." I was just trying to understand your position. Not trying to argue here, just having a conversation.

So, I don't know if you've seen this article posted on another thread before: http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/why-toyota-didnt-build-its-own-supra/ but Tada-san addressed the not enough Toyota complaints.

I think your argument of exclusivity is a bit invalid to what makes the car a Supra. I'll argue the tuning potential and usability Tada-san engineered into the car is what makes it a Supra. The A80 was rarer because they didn't sell well. I'm glad you could find a silver lining within that fact, but Toyota obviously didn't feel the same way.

However, I don't think this car is supposed to be a huge profit maker like Camry's and RAV 4's. But, to make something from the ground up as a total loss, that would be offset by margins of higher selling cars, at the same time Toyota is heavily investing into electrification and automation, won't happen in 2019. IMO, the product is to at least have some sort of direction or purpose the business could use going forward.

Reliability and build quality wise, I agree time will tell. But, why would Toyota just drop a motor into a car from BMW without doing their own quality check? Also, keep in mind the A90 is more sports car oriented than the A80.

As I said before, I don't mind opposing opinions about the car. Keeps things balanced. I don't believe this forum is safe space for fans of the A90. But, opinions are stronger with substance, than "what I feel." Still entitled to it, but it's validity doesn't stretch as far.
No argument, my comment was mostly directed towards the ladies there.

Even if Toyota retuned some of the components, the fact that it started life with a shared BMW chassis already rules it out as a "Supra" to me. Plus, I like BMW motors in BMWs, not Toyotas. In my experience, the two companies couldn't be any more different in their approach to long term reliability. Between owning Toyota/Lexus and BMW products, I've had nothing but bad experiences with BMWs so I am very pessimistic about this working out long term. How reliable will the car be in 10-20 years? How will it compare to the reliability of the A80? How reliable will it be at higher power levels? Again, time will tell...

Of course it will never be a huge profit maker like Camry, profit shouldn't even be high in consideration. Thus, once again.. my reference to the bean counters comment earlier. Many manufacturers much smaller than Toyota are less profitable in their flagship offerings, but they still continue to produce them offsetting margins of higher selling cars. This is done to improve the manufacturers image first and foremost, which is almost always a sunken cost in marketing.

Just out of curiosity, perhaps I missed this, but how is the A90 more sports car oriented than the A80, two less seats? Or that the A90 lacks a manual transmission?
 

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Just out of curiosity, perhaps I missed this, but how is the A90 more sports car oriented than the A80, two less seats? Or that the A90 lacks a manual transmission?
Guff put out a good review or any other review will talk about how great the car is chassis and handling wise
 

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Guff put out a good review or any other review will talk about how great the car is chassis and handling wise
Ok, yes I've watched those. No one is arguing that its not a great chassis, but its a BMW chassis. Just like the majority of components in the rest of the car. Not my cup of tea for a Toyota. Certainly not the one named Supra.

It seems like we are going around in circles here with some not willing to accept others point of view or just being plain ignorant. Lets just end this discussion here. Have fun ladies :thumbsup:
 

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Ok, yes I've watched those. No one is arguing that its not a great chassis, but its a BMW chassis. Just like the majority of components in the rest of the car. Not my cup of tea for a Toyota. Certainly not the one named Supra.

It seems like we are going around in circles here with some not willing to accept others point of view or just being plain ignorant. Lets just end this discussion here. Have fun ladies :thumbsup:
This isn't a circular conversation. You asked a question and I answered. It being a 'BMW chassis' is irrelevant
 

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