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This whole comment section is filled with toxicity. I hope people come around but sheesh, change is an ugly thing to witness
 

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lol, the internet was the best thing humans ever did... I'd argue that social media has destroyed a large part of that positive momentum, but many of those causing the issue are the younger generation that lack respect, people skills, and a desire to be upbeat vs negative.
 

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I disagree entirely with the premise that the negative opinions are the voice of the majority. I would argue that it's the typical vocal minority that has defined the internet for quite some time now, specifically anything car related.

The New Civic Type R, NSX, R35, and more all had a ton of backlash when they were released. The 86 was also a dumpster fire; the diehard AE86 guys ate it alive and others ran with the same comments until people like Clarkson and Harris managed to somewhat turn things around. I will concede that Toyota should have had far more of a hand in the development of this car given the nameplate and what it means to people, but it is what it is and even if it was like the 86 or perhaps entirely Toyota people would still complain ("it's too heavy, not powerful enough, the mirrors are ugly, it has fake vents, it's too expensive" etc — none of that would be any different).
 
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@Australian of The North - Seriously guy? The irony spewing from your comments and how you like to flip half truths to fit your narrative is a joke. Using words from keyboard car mechanics and MKIV FnF fanboys is a new low you've stooped, congratulations :thumbsup:.

My advice for Toyota, go back and really truly listen to the voice of the MkIV.
- Chronic MKIV mania. Please see a specialist.

Unfortunately this site is a bit of a social odd-bubble, with the majority of people on here being sympathetic to the MkV, and a good further portion being died-in-the-wool rose goggle fanboys. So the conversation here is skewed and imbalanced in its overall viewpoint compared to almost all other sites discussing the car. Its very hard to have an opposing conversation here that doesn't degrade into instinctive-emotion based responses.
I'm open to any dialogue concerning the new Supra negative or positive. The issue here is you haven't driven it, I haven't driven, none of those negative commenters haven't driven it, but yet you and them claim to know EVERYTHING about it already?

Coming up with a decent argument against a car I haven't driven is hard, so let me bash the obvious, while stoking my MKIV's tailpipes....
- Australian of the The North & the vocal minority
 

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A simple truth is, you cant argue with the majority - its the basis of your democracy.

If everyone in the world is saying one thing, and you disagree with them, then its simple - your wrong, regardless of any truths or injustices you may hold. Your wrong, your the odd one out. The Majority always rules.

In this case, they (the vast majority of the internet) has condemned the MkV on a vast array of fronts.
-They are the Majority, they are the representative viewpoint on the car.
-They have very significant concerns over almost all aspects of the car, none of which have had remotely suitable answers from appropriate respondents.
-If they say its Not deserving of the name, then its not deserving of the name.
-if they say its too expensive, its too expensive.
-if they say its a cash grab, then its cash grab.
-if they say its a Z4 then its a Z4.
-If they say its got a problem with this or that, or whatever, then it HAS a problem with this that or whatever.
-If they say its a failure, its a failure.

You can argue all you like at how unfair that is, how wrong it is, how incorrect they are, how they all have "elitist attitudes", but that's the way it is.
Toyota Failed to win over the Majority with this Car. They continue to pit themselves against the majority, and democracy is punishing them for it.

Unfortunately this site is a bit of a social odd-bubble, with the majority of people on here being sympathetic to the MkV, and a good further portion being died-in-the-wool rose goggle fanboys. So the conversation here is skewed and imbalanced in its overall viewpoint compared to almost all other sites discussing the car. Its very hard to have an opposing conversation here that doesn't degrade into instinctive-emotion based responses.

My advice for Toyota, go back and really truly listen to the voice of the MkIV. I expect it would use this quote if it could talk.

"Learn from me. I wasn't the best because I killed quickly. I was the best because the crowd loved me. Win the crowd. And you will win your freedom."
*I only quote you for posterity, since you have a tendency of going back and deleting your long-winded rants screeds posts...

Anyway, doesn't sound like you're much of a fan... guess you'll be moving along now. Take care. :wave:
 

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Judging things when you have not experienced them is not a good thing.
Some people need to relax a bit, have a coffee and wait for the car to come out.
Drive it and then spew out all your hatred or better still, say the truth about how it felt.

I still watch that Chris Harris video of the GT86 he drove at the spanish circuit and supposed he negotiated [or it was scripted] for some more time than the allocated 20 mins.
His reaction was priceless!
 

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I disagree entirely with the premise that the negative opinions are the voice of the majority. I would argue that it's the typical vocal minority that has defined the internet for quite some time now, specifically anything car related.

The New Civic Type R, NSX, R35, and more all had a ton of backlash when they were released. The 86 was also a dumpster fire; the diehard AE86 guys ate it alive and others ran with the same comments until people like Clarkson and Harris managed to somewhat turn things around. I will concede that Toyota should have had far more of a hand in the development of this car given the nameplate and what it means to people, but it is what it is and even if it was like the 86 or perhaps entirely Toyota people would still complain ("it's too heavy, not powerful enough, the mirrors are ugly, it has fake vents, it's too expensive" etc — none of that would be any different).

Millennials want their cake and eat it too. This is the generation that got participation awards just for participating. Mix in Apple's philosophy of disposable hardware and you'll have a bunch of kids that don't value things nor hold on to them. It's not a phenomena that nostalgic things like NES, Gameboy, 90's Hip Hop and R&B, 90's Japanese cars even BMX bikes appeal to this gen. I grew up in the 80's when Japan had passion as well as a purpose. I still remember the original Transformers were die cast metal, had real rubber tires and had tons of detail. Now I take my 6 and 8 yr old nephews down the toy isle at Target and they are all plastic.

I keep trying to convince myself that Japan will bounce back but so far it has been disappointments. It was like Michael Bay bringing back Transformers and ALL of the cars were GMC. Are you f**king serious! :rofl: Yeah, it was blockbuster hit but c'mon man. We used to street race in the 90's with Hondas and FnF's take on SoCal street racing was not even close either. Again, are you f**king serious. :doh:

Since the mid 2000's+ was a dry spell for Japanese sports cars, consumers had no choice but to accept anything for what it is just for the fact that "they brought it back" and changed some major things; R35 only an automatic, V6TT, no more Skyline name.
 

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A simple truth is, you cant argue with the majority - its the basis of your democracy.

If everyone in the world is saying one thing, and you disagree with them, then its simple - your wrong, regardless of any truths or injustices you may hold. Your wrong, your the odd one out. The Majority always rules.

In this case, they (the vast majority of the internet) has condemned the MkV on a vast array of fronts.
-They are the Majority, they are the representative viewpoint on the car.
-They have very significant concerns over almost all aspects of the car, none of which have had remotely suitable answers from appropriate respondents.
-If they say its Not deserving of the name, then its not deserving of the name.
-if they say its too expensive, its too expensive.
-if they say its a cash grab, then its cash grab.
-if they say its a Z4 then its a Z4.
-If they say its got a problem with this or that, or whatever, then it HAS a problem with this that or whatever.
-If they say its a failure, its a failure.

You can argue all you like at how unfair that is, how wrong it is, how incorrect they are, how they all have "elitist attitudes", but that's the way it is.
Toyota Failed to win over the Majority with this Car. They continue to pit themselves against the majority, and democracy is punishing them for it.

Unfortunately this site is a bit of a social odd-bubble, with the majority of people on here being sympathetic to the MkV, and a good further portion being died-in-the-wool rose goggle fanboys. So the conversation here is skewed and imbalanced in its overall viewpoint compared to almost all other sites discussing the car. Its very hard to have an opposing conversation here that doesn't degrade into instinctive-emotion based responses.

My advice for Toyota, go back and really truly listen to the voice of the MkIV. I expect it would use this quote if it could talk.

"Learn from me. I wasn't the best because I killed quickly. I was the best because the crowd loved me. Win the crowd. And you will win your freedom."
1)2JZ fans aren't the majority
2)They did learn from the MK4, which is to play by the rules or face the consequences
 

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A simple truth is, you cant argue with the majority - its the basis of your democracy.

If everyone in the world is saying one thing, and you disagree with them, then its simple - your wrong, regardless of any truths or injustices you may hold. Your wrong, your the odd one out. The Majority always rules.

In this case, they (the vast majority of the internet) has condemned the MkV on a vast array of fronts.
-They are the Majority, they are the representative viewpoint on the car.
-They have very significant concerns over almost all aspects of the car, none of which have had remotely suitable answers from appropriate respondents.
-If they say its Not deserving of the name, then its not deserving of the name.
-if they say its too expensive, its too expensive.
-if they say its a cash grab, then its cash grab.
-if they say its a Z4 then its a Z4.
-If they say its got a problem with this or that, or whatever, then it HAS a problem with this that or whatever.
-If they say its a failure, its a failure.

You can argue all you like at how unfair that is, how wrong it is, how incorrect they are, how they all have "elitist attitudes", but that's the way it is.
Toyota Failed to win over the Majority with this Car. They continue to pit themselves against the majority, and democracy is punishing them for it.

Unfortunately this site is a bit of a social odd-bubble, with the majority of people on here being sympathetic to the MkV, and a good further portion being died-in-the-wool rose goggle fanboys. So the conversation here is skewed and imbalanced in its overall viewpoint compared to almost all other sites discussing the car. Its very hard to have an opposing conversation here that doesn't degrade into instinctive-emotion based responses.

My advice for Toyota, go back and really truly listen to the voice of the MkIV. I expect it would use this quote if it could talk.

"Learn from me. I wasn't the best because I killed quickly. I was the best because the crowd loved me. Win the crowd. And you will win your freedom."
Jesus, grammar is a thing lol. You're, have, etc.
 

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If everyone in the world is saying one thing, and you disagree with them, then its simple - your wrong, regardless of any truths or injustices you may hold. Your wrong, your the odd one out. The Majority always rules.
This could not be any more incorrect.

Majority =/= correct.

Popular opinion =/= truth.

This type of thinking is toxic
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