Is a manual transmission in the cards for the new Supra?

Only interested if it comes in manual?


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It would sound cool to have a manual transmission Supra. But what about its positioning with the 86? I believe if there would be a manual Supra, then Toyota would most likely kill the 86. Also the big question is, if the manual will arrive, will it be made available with the inline-4 or inline-6?




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Back to the question, if I could choose between a new Toyota built Inline 6 or a Manual for the new Supra, Toyota I6 hands down. I am a manual lover for sure, but a missing transmission option is a solvable problem via the aftermarket. Not an easy problem to solve at all in this day and age if you want it to be an oem like conversion, but a B58 is always going to be a BMW motor. It will always have Vanos and it will always have an aluminum block with plasma welded iron bores (which means all piston upgrades, broken rings, standard rebuilds etc require sleaving). I would kill to have a new Toyota Inline 6 put into production, no problem. Infact I would whole heartedly embrace this bastard car we've been given if it had a new performance Toyota heart beating under its hood. I would even go out and buy one new, which is something I don't personally believe in (sorry, new cars are a horrible waste of money).
 

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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...oyota-supra-manual-transmission-future-plans/

It would sound cool to have a manual transmission Supra. But what about its positioning with the 86? I believe if there would be a manual Supra, then Toyota would most likely kill the 86. Also the big question is, if the manual will arrive, will it be made available with the inline-4 or inline-6?
It's already been shared ;) And also the U.S. doesn't get the 4cyl
 

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It's already been shared ;) And also the U.S. doesn't get the 4cyl
I see... as much as I want a manual to happen, I think Toyota will reserve it to the performance-oriented variants, or hopefully they could introduce it in the coming years when the Supra gets a refresh/update. :D
 

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I see... as much as I want a manual to happen, I think Toyota will reserve it to the performance-oriented variants, or hopefully they could introduce it in the coming years when the Supra gets a refresh/update. :D
Also been discussed in this thread lol I can't wait to order mine.
 

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Toyota lumps perspective Supra buyers into one of three groups:

Group 1: Those that actually want an AT, and would buy one even if a MT were available.
Group 2: Those that want a MT, but will grit their teeth and buy an AT if it's the only choice.
Group 3: Those that will only purchase a Supra with a MT.

The annual sales target for the new Supra is low enough that Toyota thinks it can get there with only Group 1 and 2 buyers. Offering a MT would mean raising sales numbers to offset the cost of R&D, and Toyota believes that there aren't enough Group 3 buyers to do that. My heart wants to disagree, but when you look at the fact that less then 1 in 4 new Corvette sales are manuals... I start to wonder.
I believe Toyota would prioritize manual over automatic only if people STOP buying automatic, and buy manual instead. :rolleyes:
 

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I think for Far North Australian, I understand what your saying , but for 90% of us, we would like to be more involved with our car and the enjoyment of shifting up/down ourselves, weather that makes it half a second slower..who cares. Its about driver enjoyment for what the car was built for, and for many it means a MANUAL!! Please TADA SAN, bring us a manual in the GRMN edition with all the bells and whistles (in terms of aero)...Look at what Porsche did with the Cayman GT4 and the new GT3 - Both sports cars showing Porsche listen to there consumers, because those consumers want more driver involvement, and there is no better auto box than the PDK...I don't think they care either about the half sec they loose to 100km.
+ TOYODA SAN loved his Supra and never wrote it off, he just admitted his car was much older than all the latest new production cars running the green hill etc...
 
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Toyota lumps perspective Supra buyers into one of three groups:

Group 1: Those that actually want an AT, and would buy one even if a MT were available.
Group 2: Those that want a MT, but will grit their teeth and buy an AT if it's the only choice.
Group 3: Those that will only purchase a Supra with a MT.

GROUP 3 for me too!
 

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Manual in the 6 cyl Supra wont hurt 86 sales!....not in turns of performance. The 86 is still a great car and a affordable entry level sports car. Also great for 1st car buyers in the second hand segment for price and learning to drive there first car. People that buy the 86 and want to get more serious performance, have to spend monies on supercharging/turbocharging the car, to get it were they want in terms of performance. I feel many would like to buy straight from the showroom with the performance built in and with only a few simple bolt on upgrades will improve the performance greatly without spending serious money to separate it further from the 86.
 

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I don't get why Toyota is manufacturing the 4-cylinder Supra in the first place. If its an attempt to come up with something between the 86 and the Supra, it would have made more sense to build a performance version of the 86... something which people have been clamoring for for ages. Only build the 6-cylinder Supra and the cannibalization problem is solved.

Does anyone know how the 4 cylinder supra pricing will compare with the 86 in Japan? It seems the problem could also be solved there by pricing the 4 cylinder supra at something like 40k USD. 28k vs 40k is a totally different buyer demographic.
 

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I don't get why Toyota is manufacturing the 4-cylinder Supra in the first place. If its an attempt to come up with something between the 86 and the Supra, it would have made more sense to build a performance version of the 86... something which people have been clamoring for for ages. Only build the 6-cylinder Supra and the cannibalization problem is solved.

Does anyone know how the 4 cylinder supra pricing will compare with the 86 in Japan? It seems the problem could also be solved there by pricing the 4 cylinder supra at something like 40k USD. 28k vs 40k is a totally different buyer demographic.
It's easy to answer that,some countries like japan or all of Europe have laws against big displament engines or high horsepower or a lot of co2!I don't know why but that is the truth!Toyota is a big company and they want to sell even if it is a sports car with not much gains!And they want to sell worldwide,so they offer in these countries smaller engines which solves most of the problems in these countries!That is why USA probably won't have a 4cylinder or it will come later as a cheaper solution.

For example in my country the new Z4 m40i costs around 95000euro while the 4 cylinder is 60.000euro!That is a massive difference.(GT86 is 38.000euro)
 

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It's easy to answer that,some countries like japan or all of Europe have laws against big displament engines or high horsepower or a lot of co2!I don't know why but that is the truth!Toyota is a big company and they want to sell even if it is a sports car with not much gains!And they want to sell worldwide,so they offer in these countries smaller engines which solves most of the problems in these countries!That is why USA probably won't have a 4cylinder or it will come later as a cheaper solution.

For example in my country the new Z4 m40i costs around 95000euro while the 4 cylinder is 60.000euro!That is a massive difference.(GT86 is 38.000euro)
That is very true and it applies to many Asian countries to limit higher displacement cars. Why? It doesn't really make sense as not everyone buys the 'big' engines.

What is really confusing is offering two different power levels in the two liter turbo offering.
One is 197hp and other one is 255hp.
Now this will affect the GT86 market for sure.

Still awaiting the pricing strategy in these markets.

It would be better to keep the GT86 and offer the two litre turbo 255hp for those seeking a more powerful GT86!
 

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