Maybe I got you wrong but I just joined this community 2 days ago and all your replies in this post are either praising the auto or some expletives about what you picture the manual buyers to beAre you talking to me? If so, who am I bashing or criticizing exactly? Bunch of internet turds who crap on the Supra any chance they get? Why, are you one of them?
All I said was if it was financially viable for Toyota, they'd have put a manual option in the thing
I'm not praising it, I'm saying performance wise, these days, the auto is better. Which is a fact. A manual just can't keep up.Maybe I got you wrong but I just joined this community 2 days ago and all your replies in this post are either praising the auto or some expletives about what you picture the manual buyers to be
I love manual, Supra would be fun with one, kind of why I’ve been on the fence buying one. But after driving them I admit the auto is good.Hurr durr auto faster, auto race car. Echo chamber.
Exactly 100% this. Perfectly worded. And awesome car list.Said this before in other threads, but probably worth it again.
I was a manual purist for a while and held off buying a Supra because of the Auto. Had MANY manual cars - 350z, MK4 Supra, M3s, 1m Coupes, 981 GTS, 987.2 Cs, 993 911, s2000, ND2 etc.
I seriously cross shopped this with an M2C 6 speed because it had the manual. I gotta admit, these new modern 6 speeds are not as fun as they used to be. Cars are:
1) Too fast and boosted - so there is a different rush with an auto/dct now than a 6 speed that you used to not get. The auto is really nice for these faster, turbo cars.
2) 6 speeds are a bit numb now - auto rev matching that you cant turn off, rubbery shifters etc all make shifting a 6 speed only marginally more involving...you press a third pedal and move a stick thingy around. I made a joke that it would be funny if an OEM made a 6 speed that is all electronic - so you aren't even manually operating a clutch, your pedal just switches a switch to engage/disengate like my iRacing setup =)
I feel now the manuals are best for NA and slower/older cars where it is really more involving and where you make excuses to shift. My GTS was so frustrating because I wanted to rev it out and I couldn't unless I was going jail speeds. It begs to be driven on the track and I don't go as often as I would like. I think the most fun manual modern cars ive driven/owned are actually the ND2 MX5 and the BRZ (is that "modern" anymore =)
That being said, if Toyota released a manual supra, I'll go test it and see for myself. But the way I figured was it might take a year or more before they release it. Who knows if dealers will mark them up (my bet is yes) and I don't pay markups - so I am years away from potentially owning one. Figured buy one and enjoy so that IF it never happens, I didn't waste time =) But the Auto with its fairly short gearing makes it pretty fun compared to my 981 GTS that redlines at 80 mph in second...
That 10 speed in the LC is the closest thing Toyota has in house to the ZF 8 speed. It’s pretty quick. Great video
Was just getting ready to post this. My favorite automotive YouTuber.
I had the DSG in my mk7 GTI. It was excellent. Loved that car.Was just getting ready to post this. My favorite automotive YouTuber.
I've been a manual purist with sports cars for a very long time, but what I realized in recent years is that it isn't always better. If the trans feels numb it doesn't add as much to the experience.
My current car is a manual MK7.5 Golf R. I decided on the manual because a) it was the only option still available on lots for a new one b) I thought keeping the revs higher to avoid crazy turbo lag would feel more natural with a manual c) I wanted a more engaging experience
Point C has definitely been a let down. The Golf manual is so numb, and the car is so quiet most of the time that it makes manual shifting more of an announce than anything. Driving around town in comfort mode I have to keep a constant eye on the tac and speed just to know when to shift, because there's no feedback from either the shifter or engine noise (lack of). This has been a far cry from the manuals I enjoyed so much in the NB/NC/ND Miata, and S2000.
I haven't driven a BMW with a manual (just DCT), but I've heard similar complaints to the VW trans. If that's the transmission that would end up in the Supra I'd honestly rather they just skip it.
But in both videos he also complained about the Supra not having a manual.
I had an MK7 GTI. Brilliant car. Loved the DSG. One of the best cars per dollar made.I had the DSG in my mk7 GTI. It was excellent. Loved that car.
I’ve actually talked to Mark (SavageGeese) on a couple occasions. Really nice guy and a true enthusiast.But in both videos he also complained about the Supra not having a manual.