Is the Supra gonna depreciate like the germans?

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  1. DesmoSD

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    Yes and you will be able to scoop one up for half of MSRP in several years with post warranty mileage. Since they are aiming for 11K units/year, there will be enough supply in due time. There will be an immediate influx of MKV for 2 years and then the hype will taper off.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Prices for the e60 and f10 M5 are hysterical. Haha
     
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    If they manage to sell convincing versions of the car for the next 5 years I can confidently say demand should remain steady. Not high, steady.
     
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    “Germans” vs “Japanese is such a broad statement, it doesn’t matter what country or which automaker the car comes from if the car is built as a luxurious automobile it’ll depreciate like a rock, if the car is built for enthusiasts it’ll hold its value unless the starting prices is too high (hint: M4 GTS). If Toyota builds more cars than exceeds demand, if they flood the market, resale value will drop.

    Some German cars are really good at holding their value, M2, GT3 even base M4 did well for me as I was able to sell it before me lease ended and pocketed some of the equity
     
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    My M4 did well, it all depends on the car and options. M2s are holding their values extremely well too
     
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    Yeah, if they release a GT4 version in both the street and the track versions with racing as their priority then it'll win many people over. Another key would be to make it as pure as possible and only make a small number of them.

    If it's just a constant tease like the FR-S/86 with special colors, special releases and special body kits then it'll be salt on the wound.

    The Japanese luxury sedans don't fall as hard as the German luxury sedans. Different build philosophy between the 2 manufacturers. The German cars that you've mentioned are the sports cars with a purpose, built to race. Another is the E36 M3 Lightweight. I remember seeing those for sale in the paperback Autotrader in the late 90's. Now they are worth a lot. These are the cars that will hold their value and has been the case since sports cars evolved. I could see the M2C being a strong value in the years to come.
     
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    Yes they will depreciate fast. This isn't a Porsche GT car which cost more used than new. Plus this is just the basic version...not a track/hot version. Pretty sure you can find them for probably $10k+ under MSRP when buying used. Just wait until like 2023 when buying a certified pre-owned when launch model owners bring back their leased vehicles and see how much they go for. Most BMW/Mercedes cars depreciate quickly. Even the M/AMG cars. The only ones that hold value would be the super rare cars like a 1M Coupe, Z4 M Coupe, Z3 M Coupe, E92 M3 GTS, M4 GTS, AMG Black Series. If we get a rare TRD version run in limited numbers with a race tuned suspension, weight reduction, and tuned engine, that will hold its value more than the base version. If we get just a regular track/hot version similar to a BMW M or Mercedes AMG car, not so much. Those depreciate as soon as you drive off the lot. Same thing will happen here.

    Also it depends on how the general public receives the car and if dealers can sell them. I mean look at the new NSX. Wasn't well received at all by the public and now they are being sold with massive discounts since most of them sit on the lot. Sure it's not priced like the Supra, but its an example. If people don't buy these, you can expect massive discounts from dealers. Although not right away since right now its the new "hotness" and Toyota knows this. They will do limited initial runs where demand will much higher than supply. This will lead to massive dealer mark-ups. Don't be surprised if these things will be sold for $100k+ when it comes out. Is it worth it at that price? That's up to you to decide. I don't think it is. I mean there were people buying the $35k Civic Type R for $60k when it came out.
     
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    Nah. M2C will depreciate just like any other M car since it's widely produced. Plus they got rid of the regular M2 making that M2C not so special. The one that will hold its value is the upcoming M2 CS.
     
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    True given there are only 1000 being made and around 103K. Do you think not offering a manual would have any impact?
     
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    No, I don't think so. The E46 CSL was SMG only yet they go for insane prices. I think that its prices will be dependent on how it drives and how the market changes in the next few years.
     
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    This. Same with the E92 M3 GTS.
     
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    No. The transmission doesn't matter. It's the limited production run that affects the price more. Look at the E92 M3 GTS. DCT only and that didn't hurt the resale at all.
     
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    Since the OP is talking about depreciation when comparing German cars to Japanese, I think we should look at the context in which he is talking. He is NOT talking about it keeping 90%-100% of it's value and more so that it won't be worth $15k in 3 years
     
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    I don't think anyone here thinks it will be $15k in 3 years. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see them going for $25-30k in 3 years when buying used.
     

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