LSPI Concern In B58TU with RedLine 5W30 High Performance Oil Containing High Calcium

[Armand_n]

Hi guys, I hope all is well.

I was wondering if anyone here uses RedLine 5W30 High Performance and has any concerns or has had issues with Pre-Detination or LSPI.

LSPI is not a concern in modern BMW engines. The N55 did not have LSPI issues, nor did the S55, either iterations of the B58, or the S58 (all are turbo charged DI motors).

I remember reading some things that smaller displacement engines, those found in Mazdas back in the day, had known LSPI issues, where as higher displacement engines like my B58 3.0L under factory specs, does not (factory specs being not tuned and running factory oil).

My main concern with LSPI is the calcium content in most (actual) high-performance motor oils, including the Redline 5w30 high-performance.

There is a lot of FUD spread on online forums, and I was looking for more insight into the *calcium content specifically*. The non-existent LSPI issues on these BMW engines are all engines running on the oil within spec, which are all oils that have lower calcium content. I am aware that redline 5w30 euro series exists, which is a suitable replacement for LL04 for example, specifically formulated to “reduce” LSPI. I wouldn’t want to use this inferior oil, which is why I would prefer the Redline high performance, not the Euro series.

Basically, my question is this:

I’m curious if the calcium content could present an issue in my TDI motor and if anyone running this oil has had any issues. I do not follow manufacturer suggestions, but that high calcium content is a worry for me.

This thread is not asking what oil people are using, I already love redline oils and I'm seeking insight if other are using it and encountering any LSPI related issues in these direct injection motors because of the calcium content. Also, doesn’t High concentration of ZDDP is mitigate LSPI? The High-Performance version has A LOT of ZDDP, so LSPI shouldn't really be an issue so long as I also don't drive on eco mode (I never do) and put 93 shell octane in?

Thanks in advance for your help guys!

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[Thraxbert]

1) Don't overthink this. The official oil spec for Supra is API SN, which is not even specifically formulated to prevent LSPI.

2) The oil you've purchased is conformant with the official API oil category recommended by Toyota.

3) Calcium is a detergent. You can still have a pretty high amount of it. Values <2000 PPM are still viable for oils formulated to prevent LSPI. Without an oil analysis, we don't know what RedLine has. But the biggest inhibitor of LSPI is a PAO base stock, which your oil has.

 

[razorlab]

Is this another oil thread? Because I think this is another oil thread.

Bonus points for joining today and contributing to yet another stupid and useless oil thread.

 

[Rensuhlo]

Is this another oil thread? Because I think this is another oil thread.

It's an oil thread but with big words.

 

[Armand_n]

Is this another oil thread? Because I think this is another oil thread.

Bonus points for joining today and contributing to yet another stupid and useless oil thread.

Thank you so much for your contribution towards answering my original question! xD

If this was another useless oil thread, there would be a post anywhere on this specific topic, but there isn’t. I’d know because I looked. Didn’t ask “what is the best motor oil”, I asked if I should be concerned about a specific motor oils composition being used on this platform.

Thanks for reading though!

 

[lucky phil]

Hi guys, I hope all is well.

I was wondering if anyone here uses RedLine 5W30 High Performance and has any concerns or has had issues with Pre-Detination or LSPI.

LSPI is not a concern in modern BMW engines. The N55 did not have LSPI issues, nor did the S55, either iterations of the B58, or the S58 (all are turbo charged DI motors).

I remember reading some things that smaller displacement engines, those found in Mazdas back in the day, had known LSPI issues, where as higher displacement engines like my B58 3.0L under factory specs, does not (factory specs being not tuned and running factory oil).

My main concern with LSPI is the calcium content in most (actual) high-performance motor oils, including the Redline 5w30 high-performance.

There is a lot of FUD spread on online forums, and I was looking for more insight into the *calcium content specifically*. The non-existent LSPI issues on these BMW engines are all engines running on the oil within spec, which are all oils that have lower calcium content. I am aware that redline 5w30 euro series exists, which is a suitable replacement for LL04 for example, specifically formulated to “reduce” LSPI. I wouldn’t want to use this inferior oil, which is why I would prefer the Redline high performance, not the Euro series.

Basically, my question is this:

I’m curious if the calcium content could present an issue in my TDI motor and if anyone running this oil has had any issues. I do not follow manufacturer suggestions, but that high calcium content is a worry for me.

This thread is not asking what oil people are using, I already love redline oils and I'm seeking insight if other are using it and encountering any LSPI related issues in these direct injection motors because of the calcium content. Also, doesn’t High concentration of ZDDP is mitigate LSPI? The High-Performance version has A LOT of ZDDP, so LSPI shouldn't really be an issue so long as I also don't drive on eco mode (I never do) and put 93 shell octane in?

Thanks in advance for your help guys!

The B58 doesn't seem to have an issue with LSPI that SN+ and now SP oils were formulated to combat however you are ignoring the additional benefit of the latest SP oils on top of the LSPI advantage and that is improved performance with regards to cam chain wear.

Phil

 

[SavagePassenger]

I ran the Redline HP 5w-30 for 5-6k miles on my tuned 2020 and didn't notice any issues. Think I'm going to be switching to Motul Xcess gen2 though.

 

[Armand_n]

The B58 doesn't seem to have an issue with LSPI that SN+ and now SP oils were formulated to combat however you are ignoring the additional benefit of the latest SP oils on top of the LSPI advantage and that is improved performance with regards to cam chain wear.

Phil

I ended up going with RedLine 5W30 High Performance Euro-Series. Car runs smoother as expected and normal with going to a higher grade in these engines (at least, to a 5W30 in my experience).

I did do some more research and in the depths of the internet I was able to find B58's in Germany that did have LSPI events that were believed to be contributors of high calcium full SAPs oils. This was a long time ago, and I would link the videos here if I was able to find them again but it took me weeks of researching this topic to find them in the first place. Bottom line; the issue exists. To what extent? Pretty much non-existent but considering my luck since I got this car it is not one I'm willing to take.

 

[Armand_n]

I ran the Redline HP 5w-30 for 5-6k miles on my tuned 2020 and didn't notice any issues. Think I'm going to be switching to Motul Xcess gen2 though.

Thank you for reply, but IMO this interval is way too short for any real issues to manifest. Did you have any major track days that you ran with the Redline HP (non euro series) version?

 

[RWhiz]

Hi guys, I hope all is well.

I was wondering if anyone here uses RedLine 5W30 High Performance and has any concerns or has had issues with Pre-Detination or LSPI.

LSPI is not a concern in modern BMW engines. The N55 did not have LSPI issues, nor did the S55, either iterations of the B58, or the S58 (all are turbo charged DI motors).

I remember reading some things that smaller displacement engines, those found in Mazdas back in the day, had known LSPI issues, where as higher displacement engines like my B58 3.0L under factory specs, does not (factory specs being not tuned and running factory oil).

My main concern with LSPI is the calcium content in most (actual) high-performance motor oils, including the Redline 5w30 high-performance.

There is a lot of FUD spread on online forums, and I was looking for more insight into the *calcium content specifically*. The non-existent LSPI issues on these BMW engines are all engines running on the oil within spec, which are all oils that have lower calcium content. I am aware that redline 5w30 euro series exists, which is a suitable replacement for LL04 for example, specifically formulated to “reduce” LSPI. I wouldn’t want to use this inferior oil, which is why I would prefer the Redline high performance, not the Euro series.

Basically, my question is this:

I’m curious if the calcium content could present an issue in my TDI motor and if anyone running this oil has had any issues. I do not follow manufacturer suggestions, but that high calcium content is a worry for me.

This thread is not asking what oil people are using, I already love redline oils and I'm seeking insight if other are using it and encountering any LSPI related issues in these direct injection motors because of the calcium content. Also, doesn’t High concentration of ZDDP is mitigate LSPI? The High-Performance version has A LOT of ZDDP, so LSPI shouldn't really be an issue so long as I also don't drive on eco mode (I never do) and put 93 shell octane in?

Thanks in advance for your help guys!

Guess I'm late to this discussion, however I've used Red Line pretty exclusively in my high performance engines for a lot of years, and like you I really like the stuff. Just recently I've learned about the LSPI issues with the TGDI engines and began looking at calcium levels. I've used Blackstone for every one of my oil changes and the calcium level on the stock oil was 1899 ppm which I assume was the Supra GR Toyota oil, when I've tested my used oil, only Red Line 5w-30 the calcium level has been averaging 2583 ppm over several changes. So even though I believe the requirements for SN+ are 1500 ppm or lower the Red Line still isn't that high compared to other oils. For example MOG tested Mobile 1 0w-40 Euro and it had 3600 ppm calcium.

Normally I don't resurrect old threads however I did have some data to add regarding the calcium levels in Red Line 5w-30.

 

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