More 2021 info, 3.0 gets higher redline (supposedly)

[Dannyvandelft]

New article about the 2021 Supra

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-toyota-supra-mpg-fuel-economy-epa/

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[Twisted Tuning]

thats complete speculation. the power increase is from raising the boost up top and reducing the taper, i can almost guarantee that.

 

[Axix23]

New article about the 2021 Supra

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-toyota-supra-mpg-fuel-economy-epa/

That’s badass. More powerband would be sick. 2021 > 2020

 

[Dannyvandelft]

thats complete speculation. the power increase is from raising the boost up top and reducing the taper, i can almost guarantee that.

I just rewatched Joe Raiti's review of the 2021. Redline looks indeed the same lol.

 

[Supbrah]

The 2021 is shaping up nicely but if you drive your car on the street and never track it, you shouldn’t be upset that you have a 2020. Unless you paid over MSRP, but that’s a different thread.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

That’s badass. More powerband would be sick. 2021 > 2020

My rotary redlines at 9500 RPM. There's no car short of an Italian Exotic that sounds better lol.

 

[Axix23]

Higher rpms and more power. All they need is better looking wheels for premium and they will be set. And better steering wheel. That’s a given to trade in a 2020. Lol

 

[Axix23]

I just rewatched Joe Raiti's review of the 2021. Redline looks indeed the same lol.

boooooooooooooooo

 

[tadda]

Mazda did this a few years ago with the MX-5 about 2 years after release...They basically re-tuned the engine and extended the rev limit and then claimed improved engine performance...naturally MX-5 owners were upset too...

All marketing hype...

 

[tadda]

thats complete speculation. the power increase is from raising the boost up top and reducing the taper, i can almost guarantee that.

Below 4500~5000 rpm there is basically no difference in performance (see torque specs) between 2020 and 2021...Clearly all the hp increase is in the upper powerband....

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Higher rpms and more power. All they need is better looking wheels for premium and they will be set. And better steering wheel. That’s a given to trade in a 2020. Lol

Agreed 100% the premium wheels are HIDEOUS. They either need powder coated or replaced. The all black LE looks good. The 2.0 wheel would be good for a winter set. Of all things they should have copied, the M steering wheel is definitely one they should have lol. Much prettier.

 

[Cybermoose]

Below 4500~5000 rpm there is basically no difference in performance (see torque specs) between 2020 and 2021...Clearly all the hp increase is in the upper powerband....

Aren't there M340i/Z4 dynos out there that can definitively figure this out, anyway? Because it's the same engine, it's going to be *extremely* similar. Like, a quick Google search led me here: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1638852 . Wouldn't that be fairly indicative of what the new B58 will do in the Supra?

(I have no real idea if that's actually representative of the B58M30O1, it's just the first I've found and I'm confused why we're speculating as opposed to just finding the data, which theoretically should be out there, right?)

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Aren't there M340i/Z4 dynos out there that can definitively figure this out, anyway? Because it's the same engine, it's going to be *extremely* similar. Like, a quick Google search led me here: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1638852 . Wouldn't that be fairly indicative of what the new B58 will do in the Supra?

(I have no real idea if that's actually representative of the B58M30O1, it's just the first I've found and I'm confused why we're speculating as opposed to just finding the data, which theoretically should be out there, right?)

Dyno numbers themselves don't mean anything. Each reads different.
The only way to accurately compare them is to strap a stock 2020 to a dyno, then immediately a stock 2021 on the same dyno. Same temps, humidity, altitude, everything.
A 2020 dyno'd in Kentucky in November is going to read different than a 2020 dyno'd in Arizona in July.

It's the difference between the 2 that matters, and you can only do that back to back on the same dyno.

 

[Cybermoose]

Dyno numbers themselves don't mean anything. Each reads different.
The only way to accurately compare them is to strap a stock 2020 to a dyno, then immediately a stock 2021 on the same dyno. Same temps, humidity, altitude, everything.
A 2020 dyno'd in Kentucky in November is going to read different than a 2020 dyno'd in Arizona in July.

It's the difference between the 2 that matters, and you can only do that back to back on the same dyno.

That makes sense, thanks!

 

[tadda]

Aren't there M340i/Z4 dynos out there that can definitively figure this out, anyway? Because it's the same engine, it's going to be *extremely* similar. Like, a quick Google search led me here: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1638852 . Wouldn't that be fairly indicative of what the new B58 will do in the Supra?

yup...exactly...

As Justin (twisted tuning) mentioned it's just increasing boost (reducing taper) in the upper power band ...

I think we'll see this once the 2021 is released and tuners start running side by side dyno baseline tests...

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